Brexit

[citanon]

[snapper]

4% is a landslide in the US of A.

But in such ideals of democracy that you consistently plead are righteous such as Muscovy it would mean the rigged vote had been messed up.

[citanon]

But in such ideals of democracy that you consistently plead are righteous such as Muscovy it would mean the rigged vote had been messed up.

Snapper, stop hyperventilating over Brexit. Britain, and ultimately Europe, will be better off for it.

[Double Edge]

4% is a landslide in the US of A.

Ask a bunch of brits to go flip a coin and post their results and this is what you get.

legitimacy, how much of it is there in such a vote for either winning camp.

Going it alone requires unity, how many on the other side are going to do their best to stall, obstruct etc. Nobody talks about that. Don't they get a say in any agreements to be made.

I know elections can be won in thinner margins and in a multi-party system its actually the minority that can win because the rest voted for different others.

[tankie]

Bet merkels unterhosen are wet now tho hahaha


GERMANS DEMAND EU REFERENDUM: Merkel told to not be 'arrogant' and hold Brussels vote

ANGELA Merkel is facing a nightmare scenario after a leading German MP said Berlin needs to hold an EU Referendum.

By Alix Culbertson Fri, Jul 8 2016

Sahra Wagenknecht called for Germany to let the people have their say on whether they want to sever ties with Brussels.

The deputy vice president of Die Linke, the Bundestag's third main party, said it would be "arrogant" to not trust the electorate with the decision.

Currently, Germany's constitution does not allow national referendums to take place, except for special exceptions.

Sahra Wagenknecht:
She said: "You shouldn't arrogantly believe that people aren't capable of forming their own opinion.

"Many British people might have been lied to during the referendum campaign, but this was also a risk during elections.

"If we invalidate all elections in Europe in which the government had previously spoken of doing the opposite, of what they are doing afterwards, then we would have as good as no government left."

Sahra Wagenknecht has called for an EU Referendum in Germany

The left-wing politician has already campaigned for referendums for individual EU contracts and the controversial Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP).

The German Chancellor has come under increasing pressure to hold an EU Referendum ever since Britain voted to leave the bloc two weeks ago.

But this is the first time anybody from the left has called for the vote.

Far right figures in the Alternative for Germany party promised to call their own vote if they clutch power in the country's general election in autumn next year.

A party spokesman branded Brussels a "bureaucracy monster", before adding: "Next year the AfD will enter the German parliament and Dexit will be top on our agenda".

They called the vote a Dexit - standing for a Deutschland exit from the EU.

German right winger Frauke Petry also called for a referendum

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Dutch MP Geert Wilders is pushing for an EU Referendum in the Netherlands

Party leader Frauke Petry, who caused controversy earlier this year when she called on German police to open fire on illegal immigrants, reacted with delight at Britain's decision to sever ties with Brussels.

She said: "This is the chance for a new Europe, one which maintains partnerships and respected national sovereignties.

"The Great Britain decision to leave the EU is a signal to the Brussels Politburo and its bureaucratic attachments. If the EU does not finally leave its wrong path, and the quasi-socialist experiment of deeper political integration, more European Nations will reclaim their sovereignty the way the British are."

There has been a major push from several European countries, especially in Scandanavia, for an EU referendum.

Dutch populist politician Geert Wilders reiterated on Monday he will use Britain's Brexit vote as a platform for the Netherlands to have a similar referendum.
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He said: "Nexit is about preventing the Islamisation of my country."

Despite suffering a resounding defeat in the Dutch parliament last week when he called for a referendum he has pledged to carry on the fight.

http://www.express.co.uk/…/687…/Germ...erendum-Merkel

[Double Edge]

Currently, Germany's constitution does not allow national referendums to take place, except for special exceptions.

Smart, this way no gambling politican gets to bet the house.

As for the other characters asking for referendums, just making hay.

[kato]

Sahra Wagenknecht isn't a "leading German MP", she's a member of Linke's Communist Platform and in Germany mostly known for being married to Oskar Lafontaine, the guy who moved the SPD's left wing over to Linke. Die Linke - apart from a socialist state - also wants basis democracy, i.e. legislation by referendums, hence such calls. Also a rather moderate wtf at calling her party "the Bundestag's third main party". They're the fourth. And the smallest faction. The only way you could make them "the third" would be by lumping the government coalition together.

Petry calling for a referendum isn't even worth a single line in German news. Her opponent within the AfD, Meuthen, called for one after the Brexit referendum, but that was only worth a mention in the context of differences between him and Petry.

As for "special exceptions" there's a mainstream conservative movement led by Supreme Court chairman Andreas Voßkuhle that claims that further transfers of sovereign powers to the European Union would require passing a new constitution which in his opinion would require a national referendum. That - that a new constitution would require a referendum - doesn't really have wide support among constitutional experts though, and has been rejected by the Supreme Court before.
The only mandatory case for a referendum is if the states get reorganized. As in if borders within Germany are redrawn. That requires a referendum by constitution for all living within the states concerned. Such referendums have occured and have been both successful (Baden-Württemberg) and unsuccessful (Berlin-Brandenburg) in the past.

The states themselves have referendums for all kind of things. Of course the difference to the Brexit referendum is that in Germany referendums by definition are almost always legally binding. "Almost" since one of the sixteen states - Berlin, our economic blackhole - allows non-binding referendums on non-legislative questions as well.

[snapper]

Snapper, stop hyperventilating over Brexit. Britain, and ultimately Europe, will be better off for it.

I am not sure that one can say with any certainty.

[YellowFever]

That is up to you and people like you.

So stop bitching about it and make it work and prosper.

[citanon]

That is up to you and people like you.

So stop bitching about it and make it work and prosper.

Exactly.

[Red Team]

Snapper, stop hyperventilating over Brexit. Britain, and ultimately Europe, will be better off for it.

Not saying that everything's gloom and doom, but I would think those in the UK (especially the young) whose livelihood relies heavily on interacting with the EU economy are more than entitled to be worried throughout the next upcoming years of renegotiation. Because if the outcome in the medium to long-term turns out to be less than optimal, it's gonna be them that has to live with it.

[Double Edge]

That is up to you and people like you.

So stop bitching about it and make it work and prosper.

There's quite a bit of witch hunting going on in social media.

If you voted to leave and admit it in public, it means you're a bad person.

[Double Edge]

I am not sure that one can say with any certainty.

We were told how a brexit vote will lead to more far right groups getting stronger.

Apparently in Spain the reverse is happening, given the uncertainty the traditional parties are getting stronger. Remains to be seen whether this is more than just a Spanish thing.

years back you said similar wrt to the EU, and since then we've seen a string of left of centre parties coming to power.

Nobody can say anything with any certainty but why should the scare mongers be given preference.

UK is going to break up ? unlikely
If that isn't scary enough, how about EU is going to break up.

Corporates are going to punish the UK
Wait, the EU is going to treat the UK like its N.Korea.

Euro is going to collapse, pound is going to collapse. Hear this so many times, same tactics, different actors.

[kato]

Of the 835 Brits in my town 150 have so far inquired with the municipal government about getting German citizenship (i.e. 18%, a surprisingly high number given many of the Brits living here are students) following the referendum; 15 have filed applications for it and a number of them have already gained German citizenship in the last two weeks. Inquiries did not start rising immediately after the referendum but instead only about a week later after it became clearer that freedom of movement is going to become an iffy and possibly not happening thing between the UK and EU.

Looks similar in surrounding districts btw.

[Parihaka]

5 British at my work got NZ citizenship this week. Oddly we're not part of the EU