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  • Originally posted by RustyBattleship View Post
    Actually, quite the opposite of that. Remember my hint that he was a "Brown Shoe".
    Well, in this case let's take a cockshy at "This thing relies on brute force to get it aloft and keep it there" ?
    Semper in excretum. Solum profunda variat.

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    • Since his speech was not widely published, I guess it isn't very fair for me to ask the question as I was at the dinner meeting when he gave that speech. But that one comment always impressed me as he said it so convincingly.

      Hint: F4
      Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.

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      • "Today's F-4 can fly faster straight UP than my F-4 could fly straight DOWN".
        When our perils are past, shall our gratitude sleep? - George Canning sigpic

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        • Originally posted by Knaur Amarsh View Post
          "Today's F-4 can fly faster straight UP than my F-4 could fly straight DOWN".
          BINGO. Word for word.

          I didn't know you were at that same meeting. According to Toastmaster's rules, you always start off a speech with something humorous. The Admiral started off telling about how great technology has advanced and said "for example, Today's F-4 can fly faster straight up than my F-4 could fly straight down".

          As I hinted, he was a brown shoe which is Navy slang for a former Navy pilot.

          Your question.
          Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.

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          • Originally posted by RustyBattleship View Post
            BINGO. Word for word.
            As it should be sir,considering that I copy-pasted it from another thread in WAB where u had been recalling this comment
            When our perils are past, shall our gratitude sleep? - George Canning sigpic

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            • Originally posted by RustyBattleship View Post
              Since his speech was not widely published
              Now you tell me!!;) I went through every speech he every made(well almost) and couldn't find a thing on it.:)

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              • Originally posted by dave lukins View Post
                Now you tell me!!;) I went through every speech he every made(well almost) and couldn't find a thing on it.:)
                When all that was needed was this - http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/mod...tml#post353933


                As for the question,anyone remembers what was special about a Mig 23 flight that took off from Kolobrzeg, Poland on 4th July,1989?
                When our perils are past, shall our gratitude sleep? - George Canning sigpic

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                • Originally posted by Knaur Amarsh View Post
                  When all that was needed was this - http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/mod...tml#post353933


                  As for the question,anyone remembers what was special about a Mig 23 flight that took off from Kolobrzeg, Poland on 4th July,1989?
                  That was almost too easy to Google. Two F-15s intercepted the Mig 23 over Holland. But they didn't open fire. It was flying all by itself with no pilot and no canopy.

                  Somewhere the pilot ejected (purposely or accidentally wasn't noted). The plane crashed and killed two people on the ground.
                  Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.

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                  • Ok,your question

                    btw the sites Iv been looking at all say one person was killed....?

                    The strange accident of the MiG-23

                    04 July, 1989.
                    From the Soviet airbase near Kolobzreg at the seashore of the Baltic Sea in Poland a MiG-23 took off for a training flight. After the take off the pilot, Colonel Skurigin realised that the afterburner of his plane stopped and the power of the engine begun to fall. The altitude at this time was about 130-150 m and the pilot believed that the descending aircraft is unable to fly any longer. Without turning the engine off the pilot ejected and landed safely with his parachute. To the great astonishment of the ground crew the position of the plane fixed and it flew away to the West. The autopilot kept the last direction of the plane. The aircraft was not armed but the ammunition for the 23 mm machine gun was onboard. The phantom plane left the airspace of the former East Germany and violated the West German airspace where it was intercepted and escorted a pair of American F-15s. As the F-15s didn't get permission to fire they let the aircraft flew away. France also alerted its Mirage fighters being in readiness with permission to fire if the phantom plane was dangerous for French built-up areas. Eventually it was unnecessary because after some 900 km the MiG-23 ran out of fuel and crashed in the area of Kortrijk city in Belgium ( NW of Belgium ). A house was ruined due to the crash and a 18 years old young man was buried under the ruins and died.
                    Either ways,good thing it wasnt armed,because the Soviets didnt inform anyone about the phantom plane until after the crash
                    When our perils are past, shall our gratitude sleep? - George Canning sigpic

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                    • I'm starting to run out of technical questions so I thought I'd throw a personal set of questions in here to see what kinds of answers I get.

                      I was flying a Cessna 150 solo out of Santa Barbara on Vortac instruments. Upon crossing the Fillmore Vortac (I was dead on because I could see that circular building right below me) I changed course according to flight plan to fly over the Santa Monica Mountains and directly over the center of Los Angeles International Airport at 7,500 foot altitude.

                      Question 1: Why would a tiny single engined airplane be directed to fly directly over the exact center of one of the world's busiest commercial airports?

                      While over the mountains, I did a chart check, ground check and instrument check. When I looked up I saw a thin cloud of black smoke directly in front of me. Squinting my eyes I could make out a Lockheed Electra turbo-prop heading straight for me.

                      Question 2: How fast and how hard did I hit right rudder and right bank to get down and away from the Electra?

                      I leveled out, turned back on course, throttled back a bit (praying I was low enough below his wing tip turbulence) and noticed the smoke trail of the Electra was curved slightly indicating that the pilot saw the white pained bottom of my plane when I did a cartwheel and turned away also. But only slightly. We passed so close we could see each other looking at each other.

                      Question 3: Just how close was that?

                      After landing at Torrance Airport I quickly reported the near miss, put an old towel on the seat of my 56 Plymouth and raced home.

                      Question 4: Why was I in such a hurry?
                      Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.

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                      • Originally posted by RustyBattleship View Post
                        Question 1: Why would a tiny single engined airplane be directed to fly directly over the exact center of one of the world's busiest commercial airports?

                        Question 2: How fast and how hard did I hit right rudder and right bank to get down and away from the Electra?

                        Question 3: Just how close was that?

                        Question 4: Why was I in such a hurry?
                        1. To avoid the arrival and departure corridors.

                        2. 1.7 seconds.

                        3. 982 feet.

                        4. To change underwear !

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                        • Originally posted by Tarek Morgen View Post
                          it is / was called Gulf war (Golfkrieg) in the German press
                          It was certainly called that in English up until 1990.

                          What are the rules about asking questions here?

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                          • Originally posted by GAU-8 View Post
                            1. To avoid the arrival and departure corridors.

                            2. 1.7 seconds.

                            3. 982 feet.

                            4. To change underwear !
                            1: Correct. The arrival and departure corridors would be under and to the sides of us.

                            2. Give you 50% on that. It probably took that long to recognize I was on a collision course with an Electra. My reaction for the manuevers was pure instinct along with an audible "Oh SH*T"

                            3. I don't know where you came up with that figure but I don't think our wing tips were much more than a hundred feet apart. I leveled out, reduced speed and turned back on course expecting to hit the wing tip turbulence. Looking at the pilot looking at me was of course in sillouette, but I could see he was slender and blond. I think his co-pilot was saying something like I said a few seconds before.

                            4. Almost right on. I had a good strong bladder, set of kidneys and bowels then, but since I only lived a half mile from the airport I did hit the pedal to the metal and headed for my bathroom. I put the old towel in the seat "just in case I got slowed up by the traffic light at PCH and Hawthorne Blvd."

                            Your question.
                            Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.

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                            • Originally posted by Silent Hunter View Post
                              What are the rules about asking questions here?

                              Answer a question correctly and the poster will pass the baton to you. If the poster of the question hasn't responded to an answer in 24 hours, you can jump in and ask. Or just about any bloody way you want. It's a loose operation.

                              Here's mine:

                              Ref: F-86 Sabre Jet of the Korean War fame.
                              What was the "6-3" conversion? Reason for the conversion and why it worked so well.

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                              • Originally posted by GAU-8 View Post

                                Ref: F-86 Sabre Jet of the Korean War fame.
                                What was the "6-3" conversion? Reason for the conversion and why it worked so well.
                                The 6-3 conversion was a new set of wings retrofitted to The Sabre F and E in the Korean theatre. In this conversion, the inboard and outboard edges wer extended by 6 and 3 inched respectively and the leading edge slats were taken off.It greatly enhanced the aircrafts' speed and maneuvrability and gave it more of a chance against the MiGs which had been claiming more and more kills on the sabre community.

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