Greetings, and welcome to the World Affairs Board!
The World Affairs Board is the premier forum for the discussion of the pressing geopolitical issues of our time. Topics include military and defense developments, international terrorism, insurgency & COIN doctrine, international security and policing, weapons proliferation, and military technological development.
Our membership includes many from military, defense, academic, and government backgrounds with expert knowledge on a wide range of topics. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so why not register a World Affairs Board account and join our community today?
notice_1006_html
Announcement
Collapse
No announcement yet.
For Pakistan, terrorism is a state-sponsored business
When there's no policy, the only policy should be to kill 5 PA regulars + ghazis in exchange for the loss of 1 of ours. I am with any GoI that thinks it's time to let the tanks roll into Pak territory.
There is nothing that India can do in the current scenario. If the PA/terror leadership or their family is targeted, they would simply return the favor. An operation like Balakot or even Uri has a lot of inherent risks, is it worth doing it for all provocations?
Best strategy is to limit friendly losses, upgrade PR and prop up proxies.....
I am saying that this strategy of "leading from the front" is not smart. The primary job of officers is to plan and it is the job of the NCOs to execute the plan with further insight from the officers. I am not saying that one role is better than the other /inferior to the other but there is a reason why we have an Officer core and NCO core.
The fact that the CO was at ground zero of the operation along with the Coy Commander wasn't smart. The CO is supposed to be further up planning and overseeing the whole operation. If the CO was at ground zero then who was at the HQ? If there are complications and need additional assets to be deployed, who was going to do that if the CO become incommunicado as what happened this time. Also didn't anyone in the IA realize the PR bonanza for the enemy if a high ranking officer gets hit. I understand that the morale of the IA will be fine, even pissed off by this incident. But think of the enemy, this will serve as a recruitment call that a 'ghazi' with 6 months of training was able to kill a Hindu infidel with several years of training.
Think of the enemy saying Indian officers are soft, hide in their AC offices and let their lower downs take the hit. The Indians are weak, if we give just one major push they will crumble.
They will not let on that our officers fought as that will make them look weak : )
Notice how they don't mention one of them was CO. They mention ranks so you would have to conclude yourself.
I can see what you're saying but if you want to motivate your men to die in these ops it takes exceptional leadership.
Have you paid attention to the stats, how many we lose on average for one of theirs ? It's 1 in 3 keeping tally on Oracle's articles posted for a while.
That is mind blowingly high. Yet morale is good and they get people to go on these ops.
I'd like to know of instance in militaries in the world where such odds are "extremely regrettable but acceptable" to coin an OOE-ism.
Israel comes to mind. They lose high numbers of officers in their previous wars. Special ops teams in Iraq & Afghanistan wars from any of the participating countries.
Our guys go out and get the job done. The ones that serve on Siachen get a medal, that medal is much sought after for the respect it commands. You have to be a complete head case to serve on Siachen.
So as far as our morale goes the enemy ain't got nothing on us because preserving that morale takes special care : )
I can anticipate your reply so I will pre-empt : )
You don't win a war by dying for your country, you win a war by making the other guy die for his -- Patton
What would the Indian reply be ?
Fear is contagious, but so is courage -- Sundarjee
I salute the bravery of these guys. I wish the stats could be better but this is the reality of the situation.
We have many heroes like this from previous wars. Their acts of self sacrifice are really heart stopping.
If the Colonel was a part of some elite team with a specialized role for such ops then it's fine but this time it is the CO of the unit. I am not from IA and have never taken part in combat ops. But all the exercises and training that I have been through always treats the HQ as the holiest of the holies be it the Platoon HQ/ Coy HQ/ Bn HQ/ Brig HQ. The CO never leaves the HQ tent and if the HQ area ever comes under attack from Opfor then it is a straight failure of the exercise. I realized this the hard way during an exercise when a simulated Opfor tank came near the HQ tent within firing range. We were initially declared as failed the exercise, in the end they passed us when we convinced the umpires that the HQ would have detected a real tank and also that CO wasn't in the area :)
J&K is a different theater. We're dealing with insurgents not tanks. Army there make their own rules and adapt.
As for the underlined bit, the Brigadier who the Battalion CO reports to would be overlooking until a 2IC takes over ?
Some of the Indian army guys need to reply to your question. If i get a chance i will ask around. I suspect i will get the same answer i just wrote above.
If in 2020 this is what we're doing then its the experience of 30 years in theater. That's the calibre of officers that serve there.
There is nothing that India can do in the current scenario. If the PA/terror leadership or their family is targeted, they would simply return the favor. An operation like Balakot or even Uri has a lot of inherent risks, is it worth doing it for all provocations?
Best strategy is to limit friendly losses, upgrade PR and prop up proxies.....
What do you mean when you say current scenario? The Covid-19 scenario or something else?
PA leadership should be targeted (not their family, we're not product of swines like the PA). We're anyway losing officers, so what more can go wrong? Balakot or Uri may have risks, but that is not what I said. I said to light up the entire LoC & IB, bombard them with heavy weaponry. Leave no men alive on the other side of the border.
Proxies is the best option, but the government doesn't seem interested. Balochs, Pushtuns, even common sunni mercenaries are available for hire in shitland.
Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
A country like Pakistan doesn't deserve to be on the world map. It's a curse to its own pathetic existence and to its neighbours.
Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
It took 8 years, but now he finally can breed in pigsty. SOB!
Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
It took 8 years, but now he finally can breed in pigsty. SOB!
I was awake the whole night, waited till 4 am my local time to confirm that the POS is dead. May he rot in hell along with his ilk. Of course more will come, hope they will similarly be dispatched. Also do you know if GOI is going to hand over his body to the family, better to dump it in a common grave or India might see the same kind of violence that followed when the previous head was dispatched. Or maybe not, the other one was more photogenic, this one looks more like a beta.....
No surprises there. Terrorist state of Pakistan is behind everything in Asia and beyond.
Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
This link has the book, I am unable to download it. Can someone please download and share.
Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
The Green Book is a confidential internal publication of the Pakistan Army which outlines its geo-political understanding, vision and strategies. Apart from Pakistan Army chief''s views, it includes essays on policy recommendations written by specialists of defence forces and strategic thinkers of the country.
Why's it accessible on the internet then ?
"Only a native uprising will be just and politically defendable for Pakistan on international forums. Even such an uprising will need support in the information domain," an essay said.
Pakistan is a geographical entity full of clowns, that's why.
#1. Someone leaked it, and PA thought since it's leaked, let it remain there.
#2. PA doesn't know that a simple google is all that takes to find it. Security flaw.
Whatever, who in the right mind would keep a document such as this connected to the world. Jahil jihadis.
Mediafire download Link should be good for 8 months from today just in case the one you provided goes away.
Ahhh, thank you very much.
Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
Tweet
Comment