Japan vows to invest $35 billion over 5 years in India

[antimony]

WTO issue is something that touches the lives of about 89,350,400 farmers that live in India which I am pretty sure is bigger than the population of many countries. Also India wasn't adamant in signing the FTA itself but also wanted the food security clause to be passed along with it. For which most of the developed nations didn't agree and hence India walked out of the agreement.

In India the globalization types (Gurcharan Das, Surjit Bhalla) blasted the gov.t decision while the "poverty is romantic" types (Devinder Sharma, Vandana Shiva) sent flying kisses.

Since I am firmly in the former camp I am rather skeptical of the vote. Also you have to skeptical of someone whose arguments against GMO is that someone, somewhere is mixing up humans and chickens (Deveinder Sharma)

[Oracle]

He also provided circumstances but not hard facts so if you got something to add then do so. If not I got better things to discuss with others.

Which means you don't read or you do not try to understand.

I wasn't bitching and you clearly didn't get it. You were the one trolling starting to get into religion and shit and you call others troll. Owh well.

Carrying a chip on your shoulder for what happened decades before you were born is trolling, particularly when you're judgemental and don't have a balanced thinking. I did not get into religion, I was talking about the qualities of someone many believe is a God. If you don't have counter arguments, don't post a smiley about it. A God who lets his woman burn to satisfy society and then abandons her, is no man at all, lest be a God.

Read again, I did say the architecture and the designs were of the British. Do read the posts properly before countering them or bitch about it.

You put the gun on popillol's shoulder and fired. Masons do the dirty work, owner gets the title deed.

Okay Mr.Know-it-all I am here to learn things so if you find me ignorant of facts so be it. I take it you are the jack of all trade.

Not all. I shut up and read when I don't know.

Oh really, had the British made their intentions clear that they were invading India indirectly they would have been kicked out during the very early days. Ofcourse they came for business , that doesn't change the fact they made your ancestors slaves as well now is it ?

And your's were not slaves. You posts reflect that invading India and looting it was the very reason the Brits came here, while I told you it was not.

haha so pointing out to you that the reason why we are in this state when you were clearly bitching about getting home soon is called trolling ? So be it and I take it you turn blind eye or you are just as ignorant.

The discussion was about the Brits, not the Congress. But I'm with you on this one as the state we're in is a reflection of the Congress' socialist policies, and also we as people, since we voted them to power all the while.

What an irony, you are using a medium that has eradicated the needs for travelling someplace physically to know about it and still play ignorant that going somewhere physically is the only way to get to know things. How old are you anyway ?

Seeing things, getting nostalgic and then wondering why my country doesn't have these can only be felt. You rely on internet, I rely on first hand experience. Don't let my age fool you, the next job-change and I might be your delivery manager, provided you're in the IT industry.

So, what does that got to do with the state of people at the time ? Out of 3 to 4 crore people a maximum of 1000 could have been in service and that makes a lot of difference ? Post some data on how TN was pre and immediate post independence then talk about that.

There is no data about this. This is information passed on generations after generations. I should have used probably. Look at the Civil services now, there are many many Tamils who attempt it every year and many who clear it. This is a fascination mostly among Bongs and Tamils, and it carries to this day, not because of the British but because of the attempt to change the society somewhat.

You clearly want to be a slave than a citizen of free republic. I got no more words to say on this though. Our freedom fighters would feel let down realizing that someday a few of their country men would not want to move their lazy bum and just whine about wanting to be slave for a long time than do something productive.

Did I say I wanted to be a slave. Do not try to understand things for me. I can do it on my own. Thank you. Freedom fighters are all dead and gone, it's just us now.

And lazy bum you say? Why? Am I the Government? Have I got to do anything with building roads, railway tracks etc? No. This is why we elect a Government every 5 years, who in turn deduct lakhs from pay-cheques of people like me to build those things. Something called TDS. And when they don't do their jobs, I will have them replaced, like I did this elections.

You need to understand more about how India works then. Not all state governments have to rely on the central government purely on the dole they receive and survive.

Anti has already answered that. But I wasn't talking about doles. What about your State CM's monthly rantings about the fishermen of TN arrested by SL Navy? Why doesn't she get GPS installed on those damn boats, when every political party promises freebies during elections. Is that a big deal?

I never said it wasn't an issue. YOU made it a issue saying you couldn't reach home a day or two earlier. If your regional political leadership didn't have the will to develop then the blame purely rests on sols like you who elected those men.

Yes. True to some extent. But then there is the TINA factor. People have no choice. Having said that, there is no reason the GoI would hold onto NE as a buffer zone between Delhi and China. Not develop border lands as it might rile up China. NE, underdeveloped is significantly a fault of the Central Government, not that the State administration is any better.

Haha you are a funny guy you know that? You think you are some patriotic Indian but yet YOU were the one that wanted your own motherland in the hands of a foreigner. I can go on lengths about how Naxals are present and mainly operative in the NE and I can show how TN had made sure those anti national elements were taken care. Your own people get into Naxalism and this is case of Pot calling the kettle black (figuratively) . For you information tell me who rejoiced about the killing of our ex PM. The anti national elements are everywhere, there are always bad apples. It is how you take care of them that matters. When have you ever seen me or anyone from TN supporting LTTE ? Grow up dude and since this is a public forum I will express and point out and take criticism unlike you who is the kid here that couldn't handle criticism.

Pathetic

Not sure from when not wanting to learn a language became Anti-National :slap:

I don't want to be patriotic. I don't want to be a Nationalist. I don't want to be a fanboy. I pay taxes, and I demand better infrastructure, healthcare, better laws and a quality life, something that I experienced in UK and some other countries.

Who told you Naxals are there in NE? There are many home-grown terrorist activities in the NE, but they are not Naxalites.


Don't take it personally, I wasn't talking about you, but some guy. But if you really want to know who that guy is I can dish out the information. PM me if you are interested.

Btw, was it you or someone else who bragged that we have not attacked any country etc. FYI, Raja Raja Chola I did.

[Oracle]

Oracle,
I wish the British left us earlier and that Nehru was less, Nehruvian. This Fabian socialism shit ruined us. We could have been South Korea, instead we have been acting as somewhat saner and nerdier cousin of Pakistan.

For all the things I agree with you, I have a different take on this.

We weren't ready for freedom and democracy. Our founding fathers floundered the opportunity given to them to become a great Nation. Look at what we have achieved in these 67 years, and what we could had. South Korea? Why not America? I always aim for the stars, because I know if I don't get to it, I'll still land on the moon.

[Oracle]

Oracle, I would request you to watch the Telesries Samvidhan, if you have not already done so.

Is it Shyam Benegal's TV serial? I will watch it. The name says it is about the Constitution, can you please explain in brief.

I agree hence I used the term not-all-the-states. Congress has not been in power in TN for at least 5 decades. They are not even the second largest or the third largest. So does the BJP. It was purely combined effort that made us what we are today. We are not number 1 in anything but we got better health care systems,education,industries and a lot of minor better things going for us, which is clearly not the case in any of the NE states where mostly it's the congress that was in power.

And NE won't be developing any-time soon. I envy South India. I wish the leaders in NE would do a little instead of gobbling up all those funds.

[Oracle]

antimony,

a lot of India's socialist aspect came out not only due to the influence of Nehru but because it was the reflexively "anti-Western" viewpoint.

the US tried very, very hard to get into India's good graces from 1950-1965, only to get rejected time and time again because of the institutional dislike of anything Western, and also because India was trying to position herself as the head of the Non-Aligned Movement.

by the time Chindi-Hindi Bai Bai went south, Pakistan had already astutely made friends with the US, which drove apart relations further.

now given the size and the decentralized aspect of India, it's probably a bit much to say that India would be a First World country even had it started out super-capitalist/pro-US, but having a GDP per capita of Malaysia would not be out of the question.

and if that were the case India would be the largest economy in the world.

And it carries to this day.

People born after 1947, and more so a generation back. They are educated, have money at their disposal and are very vocal. They buy American, but despise America. They watch Hollywood movies, but hate the beautiful language English. They think they have been wronged by Muslim invaders, by US (helping Pak). They don't understand a bit of strategic affairs, but would not stop at commenting at everything at their disposal. In the Ukraine thread, why do you think SB compared Putin with a Bollywood actor? It's because they see Russia coming to India's rescue in 1971. What they don't wanna see is that Putin is a thief who steal from people in the darkness of the night, the same Russia who milked India billions of dollars with crap defense equipment and spare parts. They have a very deep sense of inferiority complex which reflects in their posts. We Hindus are what (?) 80% strong in India, and yet they harbour the Muslim/Christian phobia. Unity in diversity, my arse.

[Oracle]

India was the land of milk and honey. The Brits came and stole our cows and bees.

[antimony]

For all the things I agree with you, I have a different take on this.

We weren't ready for freedom and democracy. Our founding fathers floundered the opportunity given to them to become a great Nation. Look at what we have achieved in these 67 years, and what we could had. South Korea? Why not America? I always aim for the stars, because I know if I don't get to it, I'll still land on the moon.

Oracle,

No one can make anyone ready for anything. It is our country to make great, it is ours to pull down and destroy.

The Brits gave us a workable political infrastructure, we needed to take it from then and decide our own destiny. Shame on us for having squandered our opportunities, but here we our anyway.

Remember this, for every km of railway lines they have put down, they have failed to send essential supplies along those lines. Remember the 1943 Bengal famine (ponchasher monnantor) ? Amartya Sen had said that such a famine could never take place in a democracy, no matter how screwed up (my words, not his).

[antimony]

Is it Shyam Benegal's TV serial? I will watch it. The name says it is about the Constitution, can you please explain in brief.

It is indeed about the constitution, how it was framed by the founding fathers. Everything from the discussions within the Constituent Assembly to subsequent debates in the Parliament are covered. The cast is a whos who of Indian Film and television.

[Double Edge]

We weren't ready for freedom and democracy. Our founding fathers floundered the opportunity given to them to become a great Nation. Look at what we have achieved in these 67 years, and what we could had. South Korea? Why not America? I always aim for the stars, because I know if I don't get to it, I'll still land on the moon.

Or we could have ceased to exist and broken into smaller bits.

[Oracle]

Or we could have ceased to exist and broken into smaller bits.

DE, no arguments there.

But take a look from my POV. British comes for trade such as others. They decide to stay, for long. They make their way conquering one after the other princely states. Before the Brits, we were fighting amongst us. After full colonization, Kings made irrelevant, we get a sense of identity. We are not fighting amongst ourselves, but the Brits. We accept the name 'India' long referred to us by foreigners.

Heck, if the Brits weren't here, I'd probably be the IT guy managing KHP Enterprise solutions (King's Harem Planning) for some idiot King in Assam. Same country, different visas for different princely states. Sikkim & Arunachal Pradesh gobbled up by China. Kashmir being a Pakistani state. The possibilities are endless.

Fast forward. July 25th/2005, Mumbai Floods. I was caught up, I didn't eat for close to 2 days. All I had was a bottle of rum and a pumpkin. I ate that raw to survive. A month later, some company in UK, who designed the drainage system in Mumbai ages back shows interest in overhauling the system. Some politician says that we got the talent in India to deal with stuffs like these. 2006, same shit happens, fortunately I was in Hertfordshire.

And dude, I never shy away from giving credit where it's due.

[commander]

Which means you don't read or you do not try to understand.



Carrying a chip on your shoulder for what happened decades before you were born is trolling, particularly when you're judgemental and don't have a balanced thinking. I did not get into religion, I was talking about the qualities of someone many believe is a God. If you don't have counter arguments, don't post a smiley about it. A God who lets his woman burn to satisfy society and then abandons her, is no man at all, lest be a God.

I thought to leave God's out of this topic but I feel the need to explain it to you and some others who think otherwise. Some believe Lord Ram was supposedly a human who had the great qualities that a human being just simply couldn't have had. He ruled his country (Bharat) in such a way that it was almost heaven on earth. Hence possibly the legend had came to be that possibly he was a reincarnation of a God. The other faith is that in Hinduism, it is said that when God has incarnated as a Human being even he is bound by Human nature, who taught humans how to live and how not to live. So how to live as a leader was proven by his qualities as a leader, how to be a good husband by being loyal to the only woman he ever loved in his entire life and never looked at other women even for a second is how every man should be living. How every man should respect and listen to his father even if it means something as drastic as leaving all your belongings and leave to jungle for 14 years. It also teaches even if you are King of a country, one day you will have nothing to carry to the otherworld with you when you die and hence you should keep that in mind and never lust after money and power.

The part about Lord Ram suspecting on his wife teaches you how you should not believe everything that anyone says without analysing it's merits and shouldn't care about what others might say and live the life the way you want it. If not you will face the same heartbreak that Lord Ram has had banishing his only love along with the child. FYI Lord Ram and Devi Sita did get back together proving that true love and kindness never dies even if you are not together.

I can go on still more about Lord Ram but limiting myself only to the scenario you mentioned because Lord Rama's life can't be described in a day especially by an amateur like me.

*sorry folks/admin/mods if some find this annoying or as me trying to preach, I was not trying to do that but just clearing some air,I promise this will be the end of it*

You put the gun on popillol's shoulder and fired. Masons do the dirty work, owner gets the title deed.

I guess from now on I will post the same thing even if it was better explained by others.

Not all. I shut up and read when I don't know.

I tend to do the same , except I argue meanwhile too. According to me questioning and debating about a subject while learning about it will make me feel more comfortable.

And your's were not slaves. You posts reflect that invading India and looting it was the very reason the Brits came here, while I told you it was not.

If you notice my previous posts I have always been inclusive saying our's , our, you & me etc. But you were not concentrating on it and called me anti-national hence I changed to calling it you and your's.

The discussion was about the Brits, not the Congress. But I'm with you on this one as the state we're in is a reflection of the Congress' socialist policies, and also we as people, since we voted them to power all the while.

Seeing things, getting nostalgic and then wondering why my country doesn't have these can only be felt. You rely on internet, I rely on first hand experience. Don't let my age fool you, the next job-change and I might be your delivery manager, provided you're in the IT industry.

First hand experience is always the best no arguments about it. But to know about how a place had prospered in this modern age Internet fulfills more than 95% of the need. Haha I will be happy to have a fellow wabber IRL and to have some arguments,. Trust me all my colleagues want are to discuss about the hike they get and what movies to watch in the coming weeks. If you find me somewhere do give me a shout ;)

There is no data about this. This is information passed on generations after generations. I should have used probably. Look at the Civil services now, there are many many Tamils who attempt it every year and many who clear it. This is a fascination mostly among Bongs and Tamils, and it carries to this day, not because of the British but because of the attempt to change the society somewhat.

AFAIK people from Bihar and some northern states are the toppers in almost every civil service exams, I have never seen many folks from South India let alone in Tamil Nadu in a IAS or IPS posts.

Did I say I wanted to be a slave. Do not try to understand things for me. I can do it on my own. Thank you. Freedom fighters are all dead and gone, it's just us now.

Sigh.. I might have been harsh in using that word but I just couldn't digest the fact that someone would rather have the British rule us for some more time than accept the fact that we screwed up and think about ways to improving it. Anyway sorry if you have felt bad about it.

And lazy bum you say? Why? Am I the Government? Have I got to do anything with building roads, railway tracks etc? No. This is why we elect a Government every 5 years, who in turn deduct lakhs from pay-cheques of people like me to build those things. Something called TDS. And when they don't do their jobs, I will have them replaced, like I did this elections.

Well I must say this is exactly the kind of attitude that had led us where we are. We pay taxes and you have to take care of us. The Government is also made up of people like you and me and our own PM was once a tea vendor. Indian's lack this social responsibility that we see in other countries and that is when I envied about Japan or any other country where they not only pay taxes but also does little things that help their nation. Our responsibility just doesn't end with paying taxes. You have a million ways where you can help our nation become something different. Money alone can't change things. A recent example of a football game where the Japanese played against another in the world cup and after the match was over the Japanese cleaned the entire stadium and made sure everything was arranged. For all the evil things their ancestors did they have this which is a very commendable attitude about one's country. Do you think Indians would have cleaned their local cricket ground let alone one in a different country ? Social responsibility is something I see something very important as a society and I just feel so sad whenever I see the state of our country and I don't know what's the word but a sad feeling inside you when you are helpless.I am not trying to brag or anything here but I do little things that I can do to my country. I help some kids around my house with their studies especially with program languages (cause that's the only thing I am good at ). If many does the same we wouldn't have been in this sorry state that we are. We should come out of feeling bad and sorry for us and try to do something apart from paying taxes.

Anti has already answered that. But I wasn't talking about doles. What about your State CM's monthly rantings about the fishermen of TN arrested by SL Navy? Why doesn't she get GPS installed on those damn boats, when every political party promises freebies during elections. Is that a big deal?

I have already gave answer to a question like this somewhere but here it is. There is a small island between India and SL called Katcha Theevu which used to be India's. Then comes Indira Gandhi who thinks just because she was a PM she is a dictator and have *gifted* the island to SL. Local politicians didn't do anything about it too which I wonder why. Now the fishermen were told they have fishing rights near that Island like they have been doing for centuries. One fine day the SL army for it's hatred towards Tamil populace starts arresting people whoever went even nearby the island to dry their nets. There is also a chruch in that island which was used by TN fisherman for decades before it was given to SL. So what right does the SL have in arresting the fishermen when it was our's in the first place ? I know why there aren't any GPS fixed on these boats but that should certainly be looked up as well. I just hope Indian government would do something to stop the killings and arrest of our fishermen. If you want to debate more on this topic I am ready because I know a little bit more on this topic.

Yes. True to some extent. But then there is the TINA factor. People have no choice. Having said that, there is no reason the GoI would hold onto NE as a buffer zone between Delhi and China. Not develop border lands as it might rile up China. NE, underdeveloped is significantly a fault of the Central Government, not that the State administration is any better.

I have posted earlier on how development is being fast tracked along the India China border , you can refer to it.

I don't want to be patriotic. I don't want to be a Nationalist. I don't want to be a fanboy. I pay taxes, and I demand better infrastructure, healthcare, better laws and a quality life, something that I experienced in UK and some other countries.

Hmm I got nothing more to add here this is your personal opinion. I understand coming from a state that lacks basic things is hard and having to travel to another state to find a job is even more hard. But hey don't say I wont be patriotic, If there is something in this chaos filled India that is right then that is Indian's being patriotic about their country come what may and if we start to lose that as well, God save us.

Who told you Naxals are there in NE? There are many home-grown terrorist activities in the NE, but they are not Naxalites.
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I thought the ULFA and some other outfits are based out of NE who wants a separate country out of the seven sisters. I might be wrong.

Don't take it personally, I wasn't talking about you, but some guy. But if you really want to know who that guy is I can dish out the information. PM me if you are interested.

Btw, was it you or someone else who bragged that we have not attacked any country etc. FYI, Raja Raja Chola I did.

Haha Raja Raja Chola I is my (in the sense Tamil's) great great great great great grandfather . I am proud of him but that was almost before 1000 years, so almost for about thousand years we were never the conquerors but the one's that were conquered. I can guess you might be talking about and even though I am hard core Hindu I live by what Hinduism teaches, that is consider Hinduism as the one of the many faiths to reach God and to co-exist peacefully with other religions.

For all my humble request, hereafter please don't call someone a Hindutva troll because the basic principle of Hinduism itself is about peaceful co-existence and anyone who thinks otherwise was never a true Hindu himself and doesn't deserve to be a Hindu.


PS: Sorry for this loooooong post ;)

[astralis]

DE,

People argue we should have got closer to the US earlier on but that's hindsight.

frankly not hindsight, a lot of people in both india and the US have been saying this for years. the advantages of doing so were pretty clear by the mid-50s, given the recovery western europe had under the Marshall Plan.

it seems India is always half-paralyzed by the notion, though, with hard-won support for the idea evaporating in an instant over the latest fracas-- usually to reveal a rather deep-seated and vitrolic anti-western face. for the Americans it is bemusing because there's simply no analogue.

[antimony]

DE,

frankly not hindsight, a lot of people in both india and the US have been saying this for years. the advantages of doing so were pretty clear by the mid-50s, given the recovery western europe had under the Marshall Plan.

it seems India is always half-paralyzed by the notion, though, with hard-won support for the idea evaporating in an instant over the latest fracas-- usually to reveal a rather deep-seated and vitrolic anti-western face. for the Americans it is bemusing because there's simply no analogue.

Asty

I don't think we could have expected support like the Marshall Plan. But why did the relationship sour exactly? I thought there was good rapport going on with JFK. From there to the bitterness with Nixon in a space of a few years seems really extraordinary.

About the deep seated vitriol, I don't think there is really any such thing. Indians consider the US as a land of milk and honey, a land of endless opportunity. (I was belaboring the same impression, till I came here and learnt about the cult of the Donkey and the Elephant). The younger generations enjoy associating them with the US.

A lot of the vitriol is manufactured by the Left leaning and nationalistic politicos, who for their own reasons either rail against globalization or for "national pride". I don't see any real vitriol from businesses or people.

Having said that, I still don't see what the US govt. can do for India. I can see Modi courting US companies t come in and invest. For that he will probably try to do whatever reform he can, but not sure what he can expect from the govt. I don't thin Obama is in the position to promise any large infrastructure related dollars.

[Oracle]

First of all, you do realize that we both are Indians. And you sure do realize that I'm not the enemy, but have a different POV. Let me also tell you that I have been commented upon for my look (slight mongoloid) by the same people you'd call Indians, I call then twats. Happened in Chennai, Noida, Gurgaon and even Mumbai. People judging me by my look. I am not here or anywhere for respect, but I do care for acceptance. I also have had some great colleagues from all the places I have had the fortune to work. We Indians are racist to the core, and it's not unnatural for me to dish out some chosen expletives, since some from your homeland treated me as shit. I can do it here. But that doesn't solve the issue. I don't want hate to continue as I'm not ignorant. Simply put, I want to be accepted as an Indian, who looks different and has a different POV. Let me address your post now. :)

I thought to leave God's out of this topic but I feel the need to explain it to you and some others who think otherwise. Some believe Lord Ram was supposedly a human who had the great qualities that a human being just simply couldn't have had. He ruled his country (Bharat) in such a way that it was almost heaven on earth. Hence possibly the legend had came to be that possibly he was a reincarnation of a God. The other faith is that in Hinduism, it is said that when God has incarnated as a Human being even he is bound by Human nature, who taught humans how to live and how not to live. So how to live as a leader was proven by his qualities as a leader, how to be a good husband by being loyal to the only woman he ever loved in his entire life and never looked at other women even for a second is how every man should be living. How every man should respect and listen to his father even if it means something as drastic as leaving all your belongings and leave to jungle for 14 years. It also teaches even if you are King of a country, one day you will have nothing to carry to the otherworld with you when you die and hence you should keep that in mind and never lust after money and power.

The part about Lord Ram suspecting on his wife teaches you how you should not believe everything that anyone says without analysing it's merits and shouldn't care about what others might say and live the life the way you want it. If not you will face the same heartbreak that Lord Ram has had banishing his only love along with the child. FYI Lord Ram and Devi Sita did get back together proving that true love and kindness never dies even if you are not together.

I can go on still more about Lord Ram but limiting myself only to the scenario you mentioned because Lord Rama's life can't be described in a day especially by an amateur like me.

*sorry folks/admin/mods if some find this annoying or as me trying to preach, I was not trying to do that but just clearing some air,I promise this will be the end of it*

I'm not desperate. But I am horny, and full of lust. I have probably slept with 100+ women, my closest friends says it's more than 1000, and that my count would put Cleopatra to shame. I know. They're just jealous. Now, I don't want to be as rightful as that Human Being/God/Troll Ram. Variety is the spice of life, and I'm not giving away my independence for one set of t!ts in the near term. But I do like mythology, some sections which people skip, intentionally or not. The part about Krishna, man o' man, he slept with his aunt. Now, I can't do that. And if ever, I commit myself to someone special, hell be damned if ever the talk of putting her through fire circulates. Coz' there will be retribution.

I guess from now on I will post the same thing even if it was better explained by others.

If that was posted by someone else, I would have taken note.

II tend to do the same , except I argue meanwhile too. According to me questioning and debating about a subject while learning about it will make me feel more comfortable.

Good attitude. Listen more.

If you notice my previous posts I have always been inclusive saying our's , our, you & me etc. But you were not concentrating on it and called me anti-national hence I changed to calling it you and your's.

Where did I call you anti-national?

First hand experience is always the best no arguments about it. But to know about how a place had prospered in this modern age Internet fulfills more than 95% of the need. Haha I will be happy to have a fellow wabber IRL and to have some arguments,. Trust me all my colleagues want are to discuss about the hike they get and what movies to watch in the coming weeks. If you find me somewhere do give me a shout ;)

I disagree respectfully. I liked KFC's burgers a lot, but when I ate Burger King's Cheese burgers in Euston, I started hating KFC. I don't go to KFC no more.

AFAIK people from Bihar and some northern states are the toppers in almost every civil service exams, I have never seen many folks from South India let alone in Tamil Nadu in a IAS or IPS posts.

People from Bihar have cashed on in for some decades, but it were Bongs and Tamils mostly.

Sigh.. I might have been harsh in using that word but I just couldn't digest the fact that someone would rather have the British rule us for some more time than accept the fact that we screwed up and think about ways to improving it. Anyway sorry if you have felt bad about it.

It's alright. You don't have to be sorry. Just an argument.

The point you missed is infrastructure. Look at Hongkong. If having Brits rule, say till 1990, and having a top class infrastructure is bad, then nothing can be worse. Just look at the stupid laws. We copied the British Constitution, and wherever we used our original ideas, we fucked up. Reservations is an example. It killed merit and is far from solving the caste based issue in India.

Well I must say this is exactly the kind of attitude that had led us where we are. We pay taxes and you have to take care of us. The Government is also made up of people like you and me and our own PM was once a tea vendor. Indian's lack this social responsibility that we see in other countries and that is when I envied about Japan or any other country where they not only pay taxes but also does little things that help their nation. Our responsibility just doesn't end with paying taxes. You have a million ways where you can help our nation become something different. Money alone can't change things. A recent example of a football game where the Japanese played against another in the world cup and after the match was over the Japanese cleaned the entire stadium and made sure everything was arranged. For all the evil things their ancestors did they have this which is a very commendable attitude about one's country. Do you think Indians would have cleaned their local cricket ground let alone one in a different country ? Social responsibility is something I see something very important as a society and I just feel so sad whenever I see the state of our country and I don't know what's the word but a sad feeling inside you when you are helpless.I am not trying to brag or anything here but I do little things that I can do to my country. I help some kids around my house with their studies especially with program languages (cause that's the only thing I am good at ). If many does the same we wouldn't have been in this sorry state that we are. We should come out of feeling bad and sorry for us and try to do something apart from paying taxes.

Well said and honest intentions. I differ. If guys like me and you skip work, IT MNCs would shift their base somewhere else. You do know that we provide a significant % of out GDP. We have the PWD to take care of our roads, NHAI to take care of Highways etc. If they don't do their job, doesn't mean we should go about doing theirs. What we lack is accountability. The corrupt, lazy, and the babus prosecuted to the full extent of the law if something goes amiss. I'd lose my job, if Q-o-Q revenue don't show a tilt Northwards.

I have already gave answer to a question like this somewhere but here it is. There is a small island between India and SL called Katcha Theevu which used to be India's. Then comes Indira Gandhi who thinks just because she was a PM she is a dictator and have *gifted* the island to SL. Local politicians didn't do anything about it too which I wonder why. Now the fishermen were told they have fishing rights near that Island like they have been doing for centuries. One fine day the SL army for it's hatred towards Tamil populace starts arresting people whoever went even nearby the island to dry their nets. There is also a chruch in that island which was used by TN fisherman for decades before it was given to SL. So what right does the SL have in arresting the fishermen when it was our's in the first place ? I know why there aren't any GPS fixed on these boats but that should certainly be looked up as well. I just hope Indian government would do something to stop the killings and arrest of our fishermen. If you want to debate more on this topic I am ready because I know a little bit more on this topic.

That is not ours. We gave it to Sri Lanka. You feel bad about it, you can knock on the doors of the Apex Court, but I doubt if they can be of any help. This is a done issue, no need to argue about it. The least we, your CM could have done is gift those poor fisherman a GPS. She did not, nor did the bald idiot before her. Keeping issues burning is what helps them amass votes. TN is one of the developed states in India, and there is absolutely no way I would believe this shit.

I have posted earlier on how development is being fast tracked along the India China border , you can refer to it.

Don't go by the newspapers. I'm saying things are shit. And why developments along the border only, why not the towns & villages the roads runs through?

Hmm I got nothing more to add here this is your personal opinion. I understand coming from a state that lacks basic things is hard and having to travel to another state to find a job is even more hard. But hey don't say I wont be patriotic, If there is something in this chaos filled India that is right then that is Indian's being patriotic about their country come what may and if we start to lose that as well, God save us.

Born & bred in a jungle, amongst militancy didn't stop me from what I am today. I chose otherwise.

I thought the ULFA and some other outfits are based out of NE who wants a separate country out of the seven sisters. I might be wrong.

They are not Naxals. I know you and many people lack knowledge about the NE. Open a thread, and I'll participate. Trust me, a lot of things would become crystal clear.

Raja Raja Chola I is my (in the sense Tamil's) great great great great great grandfather . I am proud of him but that was almost before 1000 years, so almost for about thousand years we were never the conquerors but the one's that were conquered. I can guess you might be talking about and even though I am hard core Hindu I live by what Hinduism teaches, that is consider Hinduism as the one of the many faiths to reach God and to co-exist peacefully with other religions.

Now you know.

For all my humble request, hereafter please don't call someone a Hindutva troll because the basic principle of Hinduism itself is about peaceful co-existence and anyone who thinks otherwise was never a true Hindu himself and doesn't deserve to be a Hindu.

PS: Sorry for this loooooong post ;)

And hence, otherwise, I would call him a Hindutva troll. Life's a bitch! Get used to it. :)

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First of all, you do realize that we both are Indians. And you sure do realize that I'm not the enemy, but have a different POV. Let me also tell you that I have been commented upon for my look (slight mongoloid) by the same people you'd call Indians, I call then twats. Happened in Chennai, Noida, Gurgaon and even Mumbai. People judging me by my look. I am not here or anywhere for respect, but I do care for acceptance. I also have had some great colleagues from all the places I have had the fortune to work. We Indians are racist to the core, and it's not unnatural for me to dish out some chosen expletives, since some from your homeland treated me as shit. I can do it here. But that doesn't solve the issue. I don't want hate to continue as I'm not ignorant. Simply put, I want to be accepted as an Indian, who looks different and has a different POV. Let me address your post now. :)

You think I am not discriminated ? I am too in Karnataka because I am a Tamil and in Mumbai & Delhi as Madarasi and what not. Some of my colleagues make fun of my colour and lack of knowledge of Hindi etc. Do I care ? No I dont give a flying fish. In a billion plus population there WILL be atleast a million who are jerks. You just ignore them. Don't tell me you don't have a non NE friend in India.

I'm not desperate. But I am horny, and full of lust. I have probably slept with 100+ women, my closest friends says it's more than 1000, and that my count would put Cleopatra to shame. I know. They're just jealous. Now, I don't want to be as rightful as that Human Being/God/Troll Ram. Variety is the spice of life, and I'm not giving away my independence for one set of t!ts in the near term. But I do like mythology, some sections which people skip, intentionally or not. The part about Krishna, man o' man, he slept with his aunt. Now, I can't do that. And if ever, I commit myself to someone special, hell be damned if ever the talk of putting her through fire circulates. Coz' there will be retribution.

Can you give me some valid source for what you said about Krishna ? I know he was a playboy but nothing I heard of what you just said. You live life the way you want and Hinduism never forced you to live by it's teachings. Taking it or not solely rests on you. I can see you are trying to troll me with it so hopefully I will leave it with it.

If that was posted by someone else, I would have taken note.

Good attitude. Listen more.

Where did I call you anti-national?

You accused Tamil's are standing in the national development by not wanting to learn Hindi. If you are not national then you are obviously anti-national no ?

I disagree respectfully. I liked KFC's burgers a lot, but when I ate Burger King's Cheese burgers in Euston, I started hating KFC. I don't go to KFC no more.

Never been fan of any of those fast foods anyway.

People from Bihar have cashed on in for some decades, but it were Bongs and Tamils mostly.

If you say so.

It's alright. You don't have to be sorry. Just an argument.

The point you missed is infrastructure. Look at Hongkong. If having Brits rule, say till 1990, and having a top class infrastructure is bad, then nothing can be worse. Just look at the stupid laws. We copied the British Constitution, and wherever we used our original ideas, we fucked up. Reservations is an example. It killed merit and is far from solving the caste based issue in India.

We got freedom almost 6 decades and we are still screwing up and learning from it. Had it taken us longer we many have had good infrastructure but we wouldn't have learnt a great deal of things which could only come out of experience. Infrastructure is important but there is nothing better than creating them yourself for yourself.

Well said and honest intentions. I differ. If guys like me and you skip work, IT MNCs would shift their base somewhere else. You do know that we provide a significant % of out GDP. We have the PWD to take care of our roads, NHAI to take care of Highways etc. If they don't do their job, doesn't mean we should go about doing theirs. What we lack is accountability. The corrupt, lazy, and the babus prosecuted to the full extent of the law if something goes amiss. I'd lose my job, if Q-o-Q revenue don't show a tilt Northwards.

You don't have to skip work to do your bit to your country. Nobody is asking us to go to our border and guard our LOC. We are expected to behave responsibly which is what I am talking about. How many people do you know are willing to pay the bribe to get things faster? everyone, because they were lazy enough to not plan things early and execute it properly. If everyone resists paying bribe do you think we would be in such state as now ? It was us who corrupted the officials and not the otherway. Even today you can get your drivers license or a passport provided you plan things and know how things work in a government office. In this day and age with tools at our disposal it is not very hard. But WE choose the easy road by paying bribe. WE are lazy. If we change then officials who are also a part of WE, WILL change.

That is not ours. We gave it to Sri Lanka. You feel bad about it, you can knock on the doors of the Apex Court, but I doubt if they can be of any help. This is a done issue, no need to argue about it. The least we, your CM could have done is gift those poor fisherman a GPS. She did not, nor did the bald idiot before her. Keeping issues burning is what helps them amass votes. TN is one of the developed states in India, and there is absolutely no way I would believe this shit.

FYI there are already cases running for this for a long time and the Indian government is just delaying things. I agree on the Karunanidhi and Jayalalitha part, they behave like a typical political leader.

Don't go by the newspapers. I'm saying things are shit. And why developments along the border only, why not the towns & villages the roads runs through?

Roads and infrastructure doesn't magically appear in a day or two right. Give it sometime, we have a government that can possibly do wonder given the time. They have come to power only 3 months back and got almost 5 years to go. So lets wait.

Born & bred in a jungle, amongst militancy didn't stop me from what I am today. I chose otherwise.

Good for you. Had only the others chosen wisely.

They are not Naxals. I know you and many people lack knowledge about the NE. Open a thread, and I'll participate. Trust me, a lot of things would become crystal clear.

Fair enough.

Now you know.



And hence, otherwise, I would call him a Hindutva troll. Life's a bitch! Get used to it. :)

Your wish, It was a request that's all.