Japan vows to invest $35 billion over 5 years in India

[Officer of Engineers]

3)The reason the world is not speaking a mixture of German and Japanese is due to the Soviet Red army nd Stalin.Inspite off all their faults the Soviets were the ones who slaughetred the Nazi monster. The ones who butchered the Japanese monster goes to the Americans

I know it's fashionable to seperate various armies into the components but it is historic dishonest.

Everything is tied together. D-Day could not have happened without Kursk and Battle of Berlin could not have happened without D-Day.

Stalin could not have done what he did in that short amount of time without Britain staying in the war. China alone tied up 75% of the IJA and half their Air Force and the Burma Road kept China in the war and keep tying down large large Japanese forces. Would the Germans and the Japanese eventually lose without Britain? Most certainly but you're talking years more if not a decade more of war.

And what kept Britain in the war was due to no small part, the BIA.

As to those who joined? The reasons are many but it certainly was not conscription.

[antimony]

Antimony , you should know it better since your grandfather had took part in BIA, how many known records in India do you know of the existence of BIA (available to civilians like me) let alone the reasons for them to join the BIA. I had an knowledge that Japanese advanced till Rangoon or some other Burmese city, partly because Tamil populace (from my state) lived and exiled in large numbers during the war. There are many movies about the war but nothing more than that.

I am proud myself after learning what our men were able to achieve about 6 or 7 decades back especially against modern militaries that were feared by then modern nations across globe. Goes to prove our men provided the correct tools and training are capable of incredible ass kicking. Alas all these had been forgotten or never passed down the generation. What puzzles me is what stopped the vet's of that war not passing down the information to their children and grandchildren. If 2.3 million volunteered and even if only half survived that is still a great number. Were they not proud themselves for accomplishing something like that ? Or was it something else.

For the past 60 years we have been living under a post colonial yoke, which is sometimes as bad as the real one, because the inferiority is self imposed. Its time we shrugged it off and explore what we are capable of, what we have been capable of. So we have been under colonial rule for 200 years. Big deal. Every other civilization worth speaking of has been been subjugated at some point in their history. Shit happens.

We can see now across the world what Indians are capable of if we get our act together. Its time we confronted and embraced our past rather than treating it t arms length. Other mature nations have embraced their past ghosts. The Brits once burned down the White House, now they are BFF with the Americans.

Soon after Independence we started shedding the superfluous elements of colonial rule, the ones that can make our small minded political class feel good about themselves, like the names of cities and streets. Have we changed one single thing that is of real significance? Our political and bureaucratic set ups are exactly the same as they were during independence, holdover from colonial and sometimes Mughal times. Our police acts and criminal procedures are also the same, with minor tweaks. Look across South Asia (Ind, Pak, Bd); you will find the same criminal procedures around First Information Report, chargesheet filing etc. Look at land management systems, you see the same patwari system across South Asia. Who do you think came up with these procedures, Nehru and Jinnah at the post Independence celebratory drinks do? So we change none of what actually matters on a day to day basis and then bitch about colonialism.

Hence we also ignored our immediate military history. Also to be fair, we got into a real war, closer to home, as soon as we became independent. I be;lieve the vets chose to highlight that point in their careers, rather that the one they felt the public was indifferent about.

[Double Edge]

Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose's family does not want Bharat Ratna for the freedom fighter | DNA | Aug 10 2014

Amidst speculation that India's highest civilian award Bharat Ratna may be conferred on Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose, a majority of his family members today disapproved of the idea and instead demanded that the mystery of his disappearance be solved first.

"All of us feel that Bharat Ratna is not the appropriate award for him. None of us will go and accept the award,"

He went missing in 1945, giving birth to India's most debated and lingering mystery ever. The Mukherjee Commission had rejected the opinion that he died in a plane crash in Taiwan on August 18, 1945.

Sugato Bose, another grandnephew of Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose, also expressed opposition to the conferment of the Bharat Ratna on the freedom fighter Bose demanded that Netaji be kept out of partisan politics.

If one of the white posters here showed the lack of respect for these men that some Indians do the 'victimhood brigade' would be lining up to make accusations of racism & 'colonial mentality'.

What an irony

but such are the perils of starting on the basis of 'it was not our war'.

The contradictions start coming in thick & heavy.

[indian]

I know it's fashionable to seperate various armies into the components but it is historic dishonest.

Everything is tied together. D-Day could not have happened without Kursk and Battle of Berlin could not have happened without D-Day.

Stalin could not have done what he did in that short amount of time without Britain staying in the war. China alone tied up 75% of the IJA and half their Air Force and the Burma Road kept China in the war and keep tying down large large Japanese forces. Would the Germans and the Japanese eventually lose without Britain? Most certainly but you're talking years more if not a decade more of war.

And what kept Britain in the war was due to no small part, the BIA.

As to those who joined? The reasons are many but it certainly was not conscription.

BIA? How sir? I do not think the BIA has seen much action in the initial stages of WW2 in the European theater

[Officer of Engineers]

Eygpt. It was the only bright spot in an entire series of losses. The BIA showed the mighty German blitzkreig machine could be defeated.

Edit: within context of Stalin, the BIA kept Rommell and the Afrika Korps out of Russia. While in the long run, it would not have made a difference, it certainly did keep the Red Army from getting more miserable.

[Oracle]

For what was to be a business thread;
Was brought down by some trolls;
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For never was a story of more woe / Than the charade of fake Indian nationalism and fanbois;

[Double Edge]

Not sure about US papers but this news started appearing from May and Trade already touched $100 Billion.

Sushma, Kerry discuss $500 billion target for trade - The Hindu


India-US trade can touch $500 billion in 10 years: US-India Business Council - The Times of India

Yes, so gunnie's right. Its trade not investment. Even in China the US does not have much in investment but Chinese got lots of treasury bills.

As for $500 billion in trade its all about 'yes we can'

[Gun Grape]

Not sure about US papers but this news started appearing from May and Trade already touched $100 Billion.

Sushma, Kerry discuss $500 billion target for trade - The Hindu


India-US trade can touch $500 billion in 10 years: US-India Business Council - The Times of India

Wonder where they got their numbers?

Mine came from here

https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5330.html

[commander]

Yes, so gunnie's right. Its trade not investment. Even in China the US does not have much in investment but Chinese got lots of treasury bills.

As for $500 billion in trade its all about 'yes we can'

I am pretty sure it will be all-you-can-offer bouffet. BTW what sectors do you think will see the boost out of it ? Defence , Uranium export ? Would be interesting to see how Modi is going to take care of business in the US though.

[indian]

Eygpt. It was the only bright spot in an entire series of losses. The BIA showed the mighty German blitzkreig machine could be defeated.

Edit: within context of Stalin, the BIA kept Rommell and the Afrika Korps out of Russia. While in the long run, it would not have made a difference, it certainly did keep the Red Army from getting more miserable.

Sir Reading some of the threads about Soviet generals and the Eastern Frontin the board.I do not think Rommel might have made much difference on the eastern front

And Coming to Burma sir in my Grandpas memoirs state two practices that made the difference between life & death in the Burmese Jungles which gave the BIA and even the Civvies a great advantage over the IJA

1)Rolling up sleeves of a Full Sleeved Shirt was an offence punishable in the army .This practice evolved from the early 1920s to fight Malaria and later even the Civilians started following this practice .The avg IJA soldier wore knickers and half sleeved shirts which made the extremely susceptible to Malaria & Typhoid

2)Drinking Boiled water this was a practice the Civvies in Burma learnt from their Chinese counterparts which saved them from Typhoid and Dysentry

[Oracle]

When we will have enough money, sure, why not. Right now it needs to go for development. Modi touching the stairs of Sansad bhavan had to do with the Constitution written by our freedom fighters and not the building built by British. I think anybody could figure that out.

You're wrong. And here's why -

The Constitution of India was drafted and adopted by several freedom fighters, ofcourse. The irony here is nobody remembers anyone else than Jawaharlal and Ambedkar, and even they are castigated. There were several other prominent members - Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, Kanaiyalal Munshi, Purushottam Mavalankar. Do they come up in a discussion in the print media, editorial, electronic media? No. Long gone and forgotten, they can't gather TRP's, and that is why nobody bothers about them.

And you're telling me when India gathers enough economic clout, it would destroy all of the British made structures and build what? One Babri-Masjid wasn't enough for you?

You surely ignoring the economic exploitation then. It wasn't a charity done by the British.

Really? Mining, rare-earth materials, and the likes weren't invented then. The Brits spend far more in the NE than they collected. Beneath every sleeper of the tracks laid by the British, lays 3 men dead due to malaria. Yes, Kid, that is a fact. And that line still exists.

Our freedom fighters thought otherwise and they were far more intelligent than you.

Let me put it to you this way - when South Africa gained independence, Nelson Mandela visited countries (rich countries) that can invest in SA. Our founding fathers founding NAM and were socialist. The result of which is why we still are a 3rd world nation. Dog eat dog world out here.

Nobody is denying the under-development. India is still poor. That doesn't mean you instead of cleaning the current system of corruption, start calling the British, the very people the nation fought against and the ones who were primarily responsible for wealth drainage.

Read more about Hongkong.

[Officer of Engineers]

Sir Reading some of the threads about Soviet generals and the Eastern Frontin the board.I do not think Rommel might have made much difference on the eastern front

Life was pretty miserable for the Red Army up until Stalingrad and Moscow. It was not until then that able Red Army Generals stepped to the forefront. The Afrika Korps was sent to Eygpt at a time when the Wehrmacht was still beating the shit out of the Red Army.

Rommel has a knack for breakthroughs though his lack of encirclement thinking doomed him against Montgomery. That being said, Rommel's breaching ops cause no end of headaches for the 8th Army. If Rommel wasn't in Africa, the Red Army would be dealing with those headaches instead of the 8th Army.

[Gun Grape]

I am pretty sure it will be all-you-can-offer bouffet. BTW what sectors do you think will see the boost out of it ? Defence , Uranium export ? Would be interesting to see how Modi is going to take care of business in the US though.

There are a few WTO and IPR issues that India needs to take care of before US companies open up the trading floodgate

[Gun Grape]

Yes, so gunnie's right. Its trade not investment. Even in China the US does not have much in investment but Chinese got lots of treasury bills.

As for $500 billion in trade its all about 'yes we can'

The US has Averaged around 55 billion in direct investment in China since 2008

• United States: direct investments in China 2000-2013 | Statistic

[Oracle]

If that's the case then everyone in the world will be insulted over one or the other because until you have some hard documented facts like the sun rises in the east, you are free to speculate. Doesn't necessarily mean you are insulting them, in fact it might lead us to the unearthing the answers that were long hidden or forgotten. The circumstances which lead them to joining the war wasn't clear so I took the liberty to speculate. You don't find it good then come up with some hard facts that I was wrong then I will stand corrected, until then I am free to think.

I don't need to. The good Colonel had answered every darn point you raised.

I can get into the path that you chose but I chose not to. My arguments are reserved for more sensible posts than that.

Then don't use a meme and bitch over it.

popillol provided a very good answer to that so I will skip this part. Except for one, about the bulldozing part, the design might have been of British but it was not the British who build it it was rather thousands of Indian labourers that built those buildings with the materials that were produced in India. Moreover it is not the building that we should be worried about but rather the men that are inside them ruling us :slap:

You're telling me that those are not British/Victorian Architecture? Read more.

Yes they laid the foundation not because out of love for our people but for their convenience to keep your,my ancestors as slaves. You don't invade and enslave a nation to build railway lines and telecommunication systems out of love for the people you enslaved do you.

You're so ignorant of facts.

The Brits didn't sail from UK to make us slaves or to conquer India. There was no fcuking India then. They came for business. What helped them was the warring princely states.

I agree it is helping a bit in the modern India but it was the sicular government that was in power for the last 6 decades that would rather loot the country than try to improve our country.

Nobody is talking about the Congress. I see you do, you are trolling.

You want the British to still rule India so you could reach your home a day earlier ?

Have a look at the infrastructure of Hongkong. Wait, you haven't been anywhere. I get it.

Man I am glad there aren't many of you around now or during the British Raj. Our founding fathers were wise to get rid of them at the earliest.

You do know that apart from the Bengalis, it was the Tamils who were the second in British Administrative Services?

The elected government of India hasn't done shit is the reason you are going home a day late, atleast you are getting home now aren't you. Had there been a British raj the chances are we might be butlers and house maids for them or could have been rounded up as target practice for them.

Wrong premise, I'd have reached home in 6 hours.

Southern part of India (Not South India) had developed because of the regional governments (however small the development maybe) that we had and your region failed to elect some good men to power, Not our issue. Remember Southern India wasn't that developed post Independence, my grandfathers,fathers and the likes of so many of my country men worked for it. So come out of this blind love for the British and accept that we had a failed government and we should find ways to rectify it rather than long to become slaves again. By your words now you are insulting all our country men who lost their lives,families fighting for the freedom of our country, how do you feel about it.

Regional governments would do shit if there is no support from the Central Government.

My region might not be an issue to you, as I get to meet many ignorant idiots who don't even know if Mizoram is a state in India. If NE getting developed is not an issue,, then talk only about Tamilnadu, don't troll about other States.

Your forefathers is your issue, heck most of them don't even consider themselves Indian, they support terrorists groups like the LTTE, and even cheer the killing of an ex-PM of India. Heck, you guys, even shelter Tamil terrorists as your brother and kin. So, don't fcuking lecture me.