2016 Orlando nightclub shooting

[Goatboy]

A bad dude who'd physically abused his ex-wife and apparently had been previously investigated by the FBI without consequence back in 2014. Evidently found time to make a declaration of fidelity to ISIS while slaughtering innocents.

I can't think of any reasonable way a nation can be protected from one-off assaults of this kind. A semi-automatic weapon and a confined crowd of targets is a recipe for carnage.

I think his "pledge to ISIS" is meaningless frankly. ISIS' "theology" is merely a convenient ideology that would have been replaced by something else, perhaps the shooter's own psyche if need be.

Also, I agree that there's no way this nation can protect itself from one-off assaults like this, not for maybe +-10 minutes of shooting. But then again, we need to ask ourselves what the fuck is so fucked up about America that these shootings keep occurring. The typical NRA response is anything but our ally here.

[drhuy]

I think his "pledge to ISIS" is meaningless frankly. ISIS' "theology" is merely a convenient ideology that would have been replaced by something else, perhaps the shooter's own psyche if need be.

Also, I agree that there's no way this nation can protect itself from one-off assaults like this, not for maybe +-10 minutes of shooting. But then again, we need to ask ourselves what the fuck is so fucked up about America that these shootings keep occurring. The typical NRA response is anything but our ally here.

a convenient ideology called islam. It's that simple.

[Oracle]

Joe, banning gun is probably not the solution. Maybe a law that stops immigrants from buying guns, specially Muslim immigrants from Pak/Afghan. I somehow, well, like the idea of Trumph banning Muslim immigration. This terrorist is second generation right? Lived in prosperity, had a good career, but the call of homophobic Allah made him do it. If there are no trouble-makers, there'd be no trouble. Sometimes I don't understand US immigration, why take shit from Islamic hell-holes?

[DOR]

A bad dude who'd physically abused his ex-wife and apparently had been previously investigated by the FBI without consequence back in 2014. Evidently found time to make a declaration of fidelity to ISIS while slaughtering innocents.

I can't think of any reasonable way a nation can be protected from one-off assaults of this kind. A semi-automatic weapon and a confined crowd of targets is a recipe for carnage.

What if we remove the semi-automatic weapon from the equation ...?

[Gun Grape]

Joe, banning gun is probably not the solution. Maybe a law that stops immigrants from buying guns, specially Muslim immigrants from Pak/Afghan. I somehow, well, like the idea of Trumph banning Muslim immigration. This terrorist is second generation right? Lived in prosperity, had a good career, but the call of homophobic Allah made him do it. If there are no trouble-makers, there'd be no trouble. Sometimes I don't understand US immigration, why take shit from Islamic hell-holes?

This guy was born in America. So was the San Bernardino shooter.

James Wesley Howell , stopped sunday before he could do the same thing.is American by birth, white far right crazy person.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...nap-story.html

Maybe instead of focusing on religion, we focus on mental health.

[Oracle]

This guy was born in America. So was the San Bernardino shooter.

James Wesley Howell , stopped sunday before he could do the same thing.is American by birth, white far right crazy person.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...nap-story.html

Maybe instead of focusing on religion, we focus on mental health.

Your authorities have said this is a terrorist attack. There is no issue of mental health here.

[Officer of Engineers]

What if we remove the semi-automatic weapon from the equation ...?

Molotov cocktails are easy to make and impossible to regulate. And if you graduated from highschool, you've got the knowhow for a black powder bomb.

[Doktor]

Your authorities have said this is a terrorist attack. There is no issue of mental health here.

Because, as we know, all the terrorists have perfect mental health.

[GVChamp]

His relatives describe him as unbalanced and bipolar. I'd chalk this up to mental illness more than I would enemy activity.

Dude just snapped and hated gays. I guess we'll find out more as the days come, but that's what it looks like.


Far different than the San Bernardino shooters, who definitely were Fifth Columnists. They had planned several attacks, amassed a stockpile, visited Saudi, were of sound mind, etc.

[drhuy]

This guy was born in America. So was the San Bernardino shooter.

James Wesley Howell , stopped sunday before he could do the same thing.is American by birth, white far right crazy person.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...nap-story.html

Maybe instead of focusing on religion, we focus on mental health.

this was just a hoax, James Wesley Howell is bi-sexual and has no problem with gay whatsoever.

[drhuy]

One question is why it took the police so long to storm the building. After all those attacks, it should have been dealt with much quicker.

[surfgun]

The father of the shooter is pro-Taliban. Obviously he and is son are/were radicalized.

[Aryajet]

One question is why it took the police so long to storm the building. After all those attacks, it should have been dealt with much quicker.

The shooter took hostages, police had to come up with a plan (negotiation?) to end it without more people getting killed.

[tantalus]

His relatives describe him as unbalanced and bipolar. I'd chalk this up to mental illness more than I would enemy activity.

Dude just snapped and hated gays. I guess we'll find out more as the days come, but that's what it looks like.

It can just be both. Plenty who commit these kinds of crimes are often mentally unstable, but the emergence and widespread coverage of ISIS and ISIS ideology can be the catalyst. Who knows? maybe without ISIS he would never have taken the final step. I think the probability of such events occurring increases, mental stability aside.

[zraver]

What if we remove the semi-automatic weapon from the equation ...?

He'd have used a shot gun and revolver, or maybe mowed down a gay pride parade in a car, set off a bomb, set a fire, flown a plane.... People bent on carnage will find a way.

More improtantly, what if we allowed people to defend themsevles? Now granted booze and guns don't mix, but how about letting anyone who gets wrist banded as a DD carry their CCW?