Zimmerman found not guilty

[bonehead]

the good deed of Zimmerman doesn't absolve him of the killing of Trayvon Martin. He has to answer to Martin's parents. I am somewhat in contempt by some of the posts seeking to cheapen Martin's death. they have no clue of the history of racism that black people went through and the injustice that they faced and were never resolved despite overwhelming evidence.

Racism is a two way street. I am in no way minimizing the problems that blacks have endured through history as that list is long and extreme. However at some point you have to answer to your own actions. You cant call someone a cracker and bash his head repeatedly into the pavement then pull out the race card when that person shoots you in self defense. Zimmerman may have followed Travon at first because of his color in addition to his perpetrated actions but no one could realistically argued that Zimmerman was fearful when he was laying on his back, having the crap beat out of him and only then pulled out his gun and pulled the trigger. Lastly Trayvon was not the innocent 12 year old his parents and the media had cast him.

Travon's death was a tragedy that could have been avoided by his own actions. Whats worse is that his death is blatantly being used by those who want more stringent gun laws. These same people couldn't care less about Travon, only that they might be able to use his death to further their cause.

[citanon]

The media reports on this case often forget to mention that there had been several incidents of break ins in the neighborhood in the weeks leading up to the shooting, and the suspects were reported to be black teenagers. Zimmerman had a good reason to be following Martin because, guess what, he was someone who was unfamiliar and matched the description of the suspects in the previous break ins.

Shooting of Trayvon Martin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

he Retreat at Twin Lakes is a 260-unit gated townhome community in Sanford, Florida.[64][65] The population in the development, at the time of the shooting, was about 49% non-Hispanic white, 23% Hispanic (of any race), 20% black, and 5% Asian, according to Census figures.[51] Both George Zimmerman and Tracy Martin's fiancée were renting homes in the development when the shooting occurred.[27] At the time of the shooting, Martin had been staying with his father's fiancee at The Retreat.[26]

From January 1, 2011 through February 26, 2012, police were called to The Retreat at Twin Lakes 402 times.[51] During the 6 months preceding the February 26 shooting, Zimmerman called the non-emergency police line seven times. On five of those calls, Zimmerman reported suspicious looking men in the area, but never offered the men's race without first being asked by the dispatcher.[66][67][68] Crimes committed at The Retreat in the year prior to Martin's death included eight burglaries, nine thefts, and one shooting.[69] Twin Lakes residents said there were dozens of reports of attempted break-ins, which had created an atmosphere of fear in their neighborhood.[35]

In September 2011, the Twin Lakes residents held an organizational meeting to create a neighborhood watch program. Zimmerman was selected by neighbors as the program's coordinator, according to Wendy Dorival, Neighborhood Watch organizer for the Sanford Police Department.[4][4][70]

Three weeks prior to the shooting, on February 2, 2012, Zimmerman called police to report a young man peering into the windows of an empty Twin Lakes home. Zimmerman was told a police car was on the way and he waited for their arrival. By the time police arrived, the suspect had fled. On February 6, workers witnessed two young black men lingering in the yard of a Twin Lakes resident around the same time her home was burgled. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. The next day police discovered the stolen laptop in the backpack of a young black man, which led to his arrest. Zimmerman identified this young man as the same person he had spotted peering into windows on February 2.[35]

Zimmerman had been licensed to carry a firearm since November 2009. In response to Zimmerman's multiple reports regarding a loose pit bull in the Twin Lakes neighborhood, a Seminole County Animal Services officer advised Zimmerman to "get a gun", according to a friend, rather than rely on pepper spray to fend off the pit bull, which on one occasion had cornered his wife.[35] Although neighborhood watch volunteers are not encouraged to carry weapons, Sanford Police Chief Bill Lee acknowledged that Zimmerman had a legal right to carry his firearm on the night of the shooting.[51]

If the break-ins were being committed by white or hispanic teenagers, he would have had a legitimate reason for following said teenagers also.

It is not a crime to follow some one.

It is not a crime to report a suspicious person to the police.

It is however a crime to assault someone and bash their skull into the concrete. If the incident occured according to Zimmerman's version of the events, then he had the right of self-defense and shooting was justified.

If Martin had legitimate concerns, he could have called the police himself and the matter would have been resolved without anyone getting hurt.

Now I'm not sure if Zimmerman's version of what happened is actually accurate, but there was no witness who could credibly dispute his version of the event, and, in this country, we convict on beyond a reasonable doubt. Clearly, reasonable doubt was established here.

[Defcon5]

The term they prefer is Native Americans. Those from the subcontinent after all are Aryans :P

lol, Dont confuse us poor brown people with white uber race of Pakistan. ;)

Let me not disturb your thread, its a good discussion. Lurker's paradise

[Minskaya]

An interesting PewResearch Poll released yesterday (07.22.2013)

Big Racial Divide over Zimmerman Verdict

[tankie]

Going viral , but this is interesting .where will it lead ?

Elizabeth Warren Questions 'Stand Your Ground' Laws

[gunnut]

Going viral , but this is interesting .where will it lead ?

Elizabeth Warren Questions 'Stand Your Ground' Laws

How did this...person...get elected to the senate? She lied about her ancestry to take advantage of racist government policies.

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CNN) -- Florida authorities have delivered all evidence related to the George Zimmerman investigation to federal officials, who are weighing whether to pursue a civil rights case.

The Sanford Police Department said it turned over all evidence, including a gun, to the Department of Justice on Monday.

Justice officials are investigating whether Zimmerman violated Trayvon Martin's civil rights when he shot the African-American teenager.

Zimmerman verdict sparks debate Zimmerman, a former neighborhood watch volunteer, was acquitted of second-degree murder and manslaughter charges on July 13 after claiming he fired in self-defense. The shooting occurred in February last year.

Zimmerman helps family out of overturned SUV

Attorney General Eric Holder has said the Justice Department will "act in a manner that is consistent with the facts and the law." Holder described Martin's shooting as " tragic, unnecessary," and said a thorough investigation will be conducted.

"Independent of the legal determination that will be made, I believe that this tragedy provides yet another opportunity for our nation to speak honestly about the complicated and emotionally charged issues that this case has raised," Holder said last week. "We must not -- as we have too often in the past -- let this opportunity pass."

Justice officials opened an investigation into the Zimmerman case last year and will include testimony from the Florida trial.

Various civil rights groups have protested nationwide to demand the Justice Department bring federal charges against Zimmerman.

A petition by the NAACP has reached 1.5 million signatures, the civil rights organization said on its website.

Feds take evidence related to Zimmerman trial, including gun - CNN.com

*Get you lawyers together George because it seems that everyone else has Civil Rights but you.

Sue them all beginning with Holder and Obama then the Feds and then retire to an island.

[Doktor]

Let me get this straight...

1,5mn ppl gathered and so it will be done?

that's what 0.5% of US population? the other 99.5% didn't care or were opposed.

[Dreadnought]

Meanwhile everyone elses kids (including ones that "could have been" yours) are still being shot, but no marches and no threatening of Federal charges for Civil Rights.......

Shootings in Chester leave one dead, several wounded - delcotimes.com

CHESTER — A weekend of violence has left one man dead, another in critical condition and several wounded.

As many as eight shootings — six with injuries — were reported within the confines of this 4.77-square-mile city, but not limited to one particular neighborhood, between 11:48 p.m. Saturday and 10:26 p.m. Sunday, according to police.

As of Monday night, investigations were ongoing by city and county detectives.

“I don’t like all this shooting in my community, as I always say,” Mayor John Linder said Monday afternoon. “It’s been relatively quiet. It had been quiet in several areas before that. We’re trying to find out what’s kicking it off.”

According to police Commissioner Joseph Bail Jr., the shooting incidents do not appear to be linked.

“It just appears to be a coincidence of time,” he said.

Bail reiterated the importance of community cooperation in not only these cases, but every other incident that involves a firearm.

“Let us do our job, but give us the information,” Bail said, adding that family and friends not only know who the gun-toting individuals are, in many cases they can help to avoid gunfire altogether with a single phone call.

“It can be anonymous,” stressed Bail.

The string of shootings began shortly before midnight Saturday when shots rang out in the 2100 block of West Seventh Street. According to authorities, Jasmarr Sabree Anderson, 20, was found on the sidewalk in front of the Benjamin Banneker Apartment complex in the 2100 block of West Seventh Street. Apparently, he had just parked his car and was walking when he was shot.

Paramedics pronounced him dead at 11:55 p.m., according to the Delaware County Medical Examiner’s office. Anderson died of a gunshot wound to the head, according to Assistant Medical Examiner Bennett Preston.

Anderson’s death marks the 11th homicide in Chester in 2013, the 18th in Delaware County.

As police were responding to the fatal shooting, Everett Tyrone Wilson, 25, of Linwood, Lower Chichester, walked into the emergency room at Crozer-Chester Medical Center, suffering from gunshot wounds to his head and shoulder, according to a prepared release issued by city police Capt. Anita Amaro.

Wilson reportedly told police he had just left Harrah’s Philadelphia and was in a car that was traveling in the 200 block of East Third Street when “he heard gunfire and felt the burning of being shot,” according to authorities.

Authorities were dispatched to Seventh and Lloyd streets for a third shooting at 12:24 a.m. Sunday. There, police found 20-year-old Khalilf Adams with a gunshot wound to the right leg. Adams, a city resident, told police he was walking along Lloyd Street when a group of men ran toward him and opened fire, but he could not identify the shooters and believes it was a random incident, police said.

Shots were fired again at about 12:28 a.m., this time at 12th and Madison streets. In this incident, 24-year-old Timothy Thompson of Chester was shot in the left arm as he left the Madison Grille, the release states.

At 12:29 a.m. Sunday — just one minute after the 12th and Madison street incident — shots were fired in the 200 block of East 13th Street. According to the release, 21-year-old Jeffrey Daniels of Chester was walking on the footbridge between the 1200 and 1300 block of Crosby Street over Interstate 95 when he was shot.

Daniels told authorities he was approached by an unknown black male, dressed all in black, who shot him then ran away, police said. He could not identity the gunman.

Several hours later, at about 1 p.m. Sunday, an unknown man opened fire on two people in the area of Sunnyside Avenue and East Mowry Street, police said. The shooter, described as a black male wearing a white T-shirt, walked up to two people standing next to a parked car and opened fire. As shots rang out, the two men scattered. No one was hit, but a bullet went through the front of a house at that location. The car the men were standing next to also was damaged by bullets. Continued...

Sunday night, at 10:26 p.m., shots rang out again, this time in the 1100 block of Thomas Street, police said. A man identified as 21-year-old Blaine Bobo of Chester was hit, according to Amaro. Several people put the injured man into a car and began driving him to the hospital, authorities said. Police and paramedics were dispatched, picked up the victim and transported him the rest of the way to Crozer.

Bobo suffered multiple gunshot wounds and was listed in critical condition on Monday.

As many as 13 shell casings were found at the scene in the Bobo case, and a car’s windows were shot about a block away at Baldwin and Thomas streets. Investigators are trying to determine if those two scenes are related.

City detectives are working double shifts to investigate the weekend shootings. Anyone with information is asked to contact Amaro at 610-447-8433 or Delaware County Criminal Investigation Division Lt. Michael Duffy at 610-891-4699.

[GGTharos]

The deed of self-defense absolves him. He doesn't have to answer to TM's parents. They got their answers in court.

The history of racism is utterly irrelevant here. Zimmerman isn't going to be paying for what people did a very very long time ago. He didn't own slaves, and he's no racist, as in fact determined at trial. Failed attempt at race-baiting here.

the good deed of Zimmerman doesn't absolve him of the killing of Trayvon Martin. He has to answer to Martin's parents. I am somewhat in contempt by some of the posts seeking to cheapen Martin's death. they have no clue of the history of racism that black people went through and the injustice that they faced and were never resolved despite overwhelming evidence.

[gunnut]

Martin violated Zimmerman's civil rights of NOT BEING PUNCHED IN THE FACE!

Go punch someone in the face for being a "cracka gay rapist" and see how the law treats you. It's called "hate crime" in addition to violating his civil rights.

Obama said "Treyvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago." Does that mean he admits to being a racist homophobe?

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Martin violated Zimmerman's civil rights of NOT BEING PUNCHED IN THE FACE!

Go punch someone in the face for being a "cracka gay rapist" and see how the law treats you. It's called "hate crime" in addition to violating his civil rights.

Obama said "Treyvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago." Does that mean he admits to being a racist homophobe?

*Heres an interesting point to be made..........

The media sucked everyone in to their pages of trash talk and hits on their websites via racial inuendo.

If you have ever applied for a job on line, if you choose to disclose your race/nationality (some do, some dont).........

There is no choice for "White-Hispanic", this was a newly coined "catch phrase" by the media to not only draw clear and imminent racial lines for everyone but as mentioned above to cash in on peoples anger and arguements.

The only choice given for "White" people is "White-non Hispanic"!

However the media labels him as "White-Hispanic".

How is it they can create their own race of people that the government itself does not even recognize on any US job list?

So as you can see once again the media is proven to have fueled much of this and no doubt cashed in on it.

If you dont believe this then go apply on line for a job and look very closely at the nationality (race) choices.

There is clearly a difference in what these web firms report to the government and a "catch phrase" created and orchestrated by the media to stoke racial bluster and make them money.

This is the kind of fools we are for not taking the media itself to task for this blatant race baiting all the while they count hits on their websites and cash rolling in.

All we hear is that Zimmerman in a "White Hispanic" but yet the governement does not recognize that race in their reporting of US job canadicies.

So, What race should we determine Zimmerman to be.....

White or Hispanic? According to government reporting he cannot be both. And you can only choose one.

IMO, Sometimes Freedom of Press deserves a punch in the mouth to keep it honest. Maybe even sued for attempting to stoke racial tensions and profit from it.

This is the kind of fools we are.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/fedreg_race-ethnicity

Directive No. 15 says that persons of mixed racial and ethnic origins should use the single category which most closely reflects the individual's recognition in his or her community. The public comments indicate that multiracial persons objected to this instruction. The commenters indicate that a single category does not reflect how they think of themselves. From their perspective, the instruction requires them to deny their full heritage and to choose between their parents. They feel they are being required to provide factually false information. They maintain that the current categories do not recognize their existence. They say they could mark "Other" where that category is provided but they feel it is demeaning. They want to identify their multiple races, but say that those who prefer to choose one of the existing broad categories could do so.

Cons of Option (f)(1):

•Collection: Visual identification of nationality groups is difficult.
(2) Alternative or additional words suggested for "Hispanic" include "Latino/Hispanic Origin," "Latino," "Latin," "Latin American," and "Hispanics from the Americas" (to exclude persons from Spain and the Philippines). Persons of Mexican ancestry did not agree on terminology for their group. Some wanted "Pre-Columbian" because of their Mestizo (Indian) background. Others disagreed saying some Mexicans have European background. Some preferred the term, "Chicano" to identify Mexican-Americans while others found the term offensive.

Pros of Option (f)(2):

•Collection: Some respondents prefer an alternative.
Cons of Option (f)(2):

•Collection: The term, "Latino," includes a diverse group of people from many national origins, races, and backgrounds. Some understand the term, "Latin" or "Latino" to include Europeans such as Italians, French, Portuguese, Romanians, and Spaniards. Cognitive research by the Census Bureau indicates some understand "Latino" as meaning from Latin America, "Hispanic" as meaning someone who speaks Spanish, and "of Spanish origin" as someone from Spain or with a distant relative who was Hispanic.
Past research results/literature review: Results from the 1990 census showed that the Hispanic population of some 22.4 million grew by 53 percent from 1980 to 1990. Immigration accounted for about half the growth. Overall, the Census Bureau considers the quality of census and survey data for Hispanic origin to be good. Nevertheless, evaluations show high nonresponse (10 percent; research shows most are not Hispanics) and misreporting (for example, some non-Hispanics report in the "Mexican-Amer." category to indicate they are American). In the 1990 census race question, two in three persons who did not mark a race circle, wrote in a response reflecting Hispanic ethnicity. Among persons who indicated in the 1990 census that they were of Hispanic origin, 52 percent marked the "White" circle and 43 percent marked the "Other race" circle. Based on evaluations of the 1980 Census and 1990 Census pretests, it appears that persons reporting "Other Spanish/Hispanic," included Brazilians and other persons of Portuguese descent who feel the term, "Hispanic," also applies to them.

*You will note that all comments from the POTUS, Sharpton etc. on down were aimed at "If he (Trayvon Martin) was "White". When Zimmerman himself cannot even be classified as "White" according to the White House itself.

How is it that John Q Public can find that out yet the ones that ARE SUPPOSED to know ignore that fact (or just too ignorant to look and except that fact plain and simple).

THUS, by ignoring it becomes a Black/White issue stoked by all including the media WHO PROFITS FROM IT and we have the division they ALL helped to create at present.

Amen!

[Dreadnought]

Mistaken Identity........

George A. Zimmermann, a retired pastor in Florida, has received death threats meant for the man acquitted in the fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin.

George A. Zimmermann has received death threats meant for Zimmerman
Zimmermann began getting calls immediately after Trayvon Martin's death
George Zimmerman was acquitted July 13 in the killing of Martin

Death threats were the last type of phone calls George A. Zimmermann, 78, thought he'd get after serving for 55 years as his Pennsylvania community's preacher.

And he never thought he'd be mistaken for the man headlining news these days: George Zimmerman, the Sanford, Fla., neighborhood watch volunteer acquitted in the fatal shooting of unarmed teen Trayvon Martin in February 2012.

Zimmermann, 78, retired to Deland, Fla., 16 years ago from his post at Georgetown United Methodist Church in Paradise, Pa. He says his time in Florida had been relatively peaceful and uneventful – until the phone calls began trickling in.

According to Zimmermann, he started receiving the calls immediately after Zimmerman (with one n), 29, shot the teenager.

"In the beginning, I received four or five calls," Zimmermann says. "I'd say, 'Hey, you got the wrong person. I don't live in Sanford.' And then it stopped."

Until the first night of the trial.

On June 25, Zimmermann was awakened by two calls in the middle of the night from protesters, although he says they were tame in comparison with the one he received July 14, a day after the verdict was reached.

"Hey (expletive), you're the one who killed Trayvon Martin, when your (expletive) get out, you're dead," the caller said in a message left on the answering machine. "Wherever you go, you're dead. Wherever you're trying to hide, you're dead. Watch your (expletive) move. You think you're free. You're not. You better get ready to dig a 6-foot hole, cause you know you're fixing to go," according to a report by Daytona news station WFVT.

Zimmermann, who was not home at the time of the call, recorded the message on his answering machine. He reported the incident to the Volusia County Sheriff's Office.

"I know they're venting their emotions, but I had no idea that my name would create such a hassle," he says.

Zimmermann says a couple of the calls he's received have been from out-of-state numbers, but more have been from Florida. He has changed his phone number, and since July 14, he has not received any more intimidating calls.

"They're just shooting in the dark," Zimmermann says. "It doesn' t make sense – I'm in a different town.

"But I guess when you're upset you do things without rationally thinking about it," he said.

Since Trayvon was killed, a number of individuals with unintentional ties to Zimmerman have been accosted in similar cases of mistaken identity:

• A Florida man who had never owned a cellphone before being released from prison in May 2012 was randomly assigned the number Zimmerman was using when he called 911 the night he killed Trayvon. Junior Alexander Guy, then 49, received multiple intimidating phone calls before changing his number.

• Lori Tankel of Winter Park, Fla., was forced to change her number after receiving nearly 100 calls from protesters assuming she was Zimmerman, reports Florida news station WFTV. Her cellphone number was one digit removed from Zimmerman's old number.

• Although he lived thousands of miles away from Sanford, Jorge Zimmerman of Cumberland, R.I., received nearly half a dozen or so angry messages sent to his Facebook page from individuals accusing him of murdering Trayvon, says Rhode Island news station WPRI. He has deactivated his Facebook account.

Mistaken identity brings threats to Pastor Zimmermann

[zraver]

And now the people he saved from a flipped vehicle have cancelled an interview out of fear that they would be targeted. Apparently the lynch mob has some 9-11 birthers in it and are claiming that the wreck was staged....

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And now the people he saved from a flipped vehicle have cancelled an interview out of fear that they would be targeted. Apparently the lynch mob has some 9-11 birthers in it and are claiming that the wreck was staged....

Nothing but the idiots drinking the cool aid.

These are people who will justify anything (including things like this) in their own mind to accomplish their own means and keep division lines "divided".

I have many really close friends for decades, but none of them would flip their vehicles over with their families in it for me to make me look good.