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  • Originally posted by RustyBattleship View Post
    What does that have to do with changes in gunnery procedures?
    Rusty,

    I was answering this question...

    "A design first for this ship meant it carried less hemp than previous ships of her type."
    “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
    Mark Twain

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    • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Princeton_(1843) ?

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      • The ship is also a nickname for the prophet Elijah.
        Craig Johnson

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        • I'm not going to try to look up the ship's name. But I can give a lecture on former uses of hemp and its replacements down through a couple of centuries.

          Originally mooring lines were all hemp but it does not stretch and as tides rise and fall ------------ oh, you don't want a lecture? Fine I'll just go back revise Chapter 20 of my book's second edition. 13 more chapters to go then with one of them being lengthened considerably, 8 Appendices with one of them shortened considerably and then the addition of an index that will probably take me at least a month to put together.
          Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.

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          • This ship and the Gromoboi share something in common.
            Craig Johnson

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            • The ship is also the name of this Sousa March.

              The Gulf of Ismid is part of the Sea of Marmara.
              Craig Johnson

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              • Originally posted by Battleship IOWA View Post
                The ship is also the name of this Sousa March.

                The Gulf of Ismid is part of the Sea of Marmara.
                Well, going through the Sousa music, the band is playing the Thunder march. So the ship's name was the USS Thunder though it was a captured CSS blockade runner.

                As for the change in hemp rope, I can only guess that she was one of the first ships to use Manila instead of hemp because it has more elasticity to it.
                Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.

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                • Rusty very close but I remember that march as "The Thunderer" and the ship in question is not American.
                  Craig Johnson

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                  • The 1872 version of HMS Thunderer.

                    First mastless battleship. Gun blowing up due to double loading was the reason the RN went to breach loading guns.

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                    • HMS Thunderer suffered a serious accident in January 1879 when the left 12-inch (305 mm) gun in the forward turret exploded during practice firing in the Gulf of Ismid part of the Sea of Marmora killing 11 and injuring a further 35. The reason for this accident was that the muzzle-loading gun had been double loaded following a misfire, and was a major reason for the Royal Navy changing to breech-loading guns.
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Thunderer_%281872%29

                      Originally posted by Battleship IOWA View Post
                      A design first for this ship meant it carried less hemp than previous ships of her type.
                      Thunderer and sister Devastation were the world's first mastless battleships so carried much less canvas(Hemp).

                      Originally posted by Battleship IOWA View Post
                      The ship is also the name of a peek in the Rocky Mountains.
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Th..._%28Wyoming%29

                      Originally posted by Battleship IOWA View Post
                      The ship is also the name of an Engineering College.
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_...eering_College

                      Originally posted by Battleship IOWA View Post
                      The ship is also a nickname for the prophet Elijah.
                      In many Slavic countries Elijah is known as Elijah the Thunderer (Ilija Gromovnik), who drives the heavens in a chariot and administers rain and snow
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elijah

                      Gun Grape your question.
                      Craig Johnson

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                      • The entire fleet that America sent for this expedition was destroyed. Name it.

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                        • Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
                          The entire fleet that America sent for this expedition was destroyed. Name it.
                          The only situation I can come up with is that a fleet of 7 Destroyers were on a wartime exercise from San Francisco to San Diego. But, due to bad navigation all of them wound up on the rocks at Point Honda.
                          Able to leap tall tales in a single groan.

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                          • Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
                            The entire fleet that America sent for this expedition was destroyed. Name it.
                            Benedict Arnold's expedition to Quebec? part of Invasion of Canada (1775)?
                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Valcour_Island

                            Just started reading Flemings 1776 Year of Illusions

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                            • Nope to both. But Dazed is in the right era.
                              Not all of Arnolds ships were lost.

                              All 44 ships of this expedition were lost

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                              • Originally posted by Gun Grape View Post
                                Nope to both. But Dazed is in the right era.
                                Not all of Arnolds ships were lost.

                                All 44 ships of this expedition were lost
                                It's good because I don't have a question. Benedict Arnold fleet what wasn't sunk or captured was later burned by Arnold and his men

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