Should Palestine become a STATE??

[Leader]

Israelites r the worst nation in the world, the people who killed their prophets. The people who live in somebody's land. Killing innocents. Once i saw an Israeli soldier with a gun getting afraid of little Palestinian boy with a stone and by God he killed that boy. I think there is no right for Israelis to live. I as an American hate Israel.

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[doctor_vals]

Israelites r the worst nation in the world, the people who killed their prophets. The people who live in somebody's land. Killing innocents. Once i saw an Israeli soldier with a gun getting afraid of little Palestinian boy with a stone and by God he killed that boy. I think there is no right for Israelis to live. I as an American hate Israel.

My dear Israeli hater, may I ask you - do you hate only them or all other nation as well? Do you really know what did you wrote?
1. I read history books and didn't find that they killed own prophets. Do you know somebody particular. Could you give us a link to know what did you wrote?
2. They live in somebody's land? As I know and I read in the Bible - that land BELONG TO THEM BY GOD. And as everybody, exept you, know - during Jesus time - that land called as Judah. And nobody know name - Palestine. But when Jesus died (read the Bible) after less than 60 years - Jews revolt against Rome. And Rome won it very dificult war, and AFTER that by Rome caesar - that land prononce as Palestine. BTW - at that time nobody know about islam or arabic people at all. If you know something about US history - may I ask you the same question - "The people who live in somebody's land" - it's mean - redskin land?
3. You said innocent, - may I ask you you mean the same people who laughing during 9/11, the same people who burn flag of your own country, people who attack american warship, who support terrorism across world. For you - they are innocent. And people who died in dancing club, in cafe or in the bus - they are not innocent for you?
I think you should thay - thank you to israelis, they fight against terror there. If as you wish - they will die, than your innocent people will arrive to your state. And buses on your city streets will take live of american people. Do you really like your country?

[Maevi]

I agree, they cannot live together, because of palestinian terror. So they should live - jew in Israel, arabs in W.Bank or Gaza. After withdraw jews from Gaza - I'm wating for withdraw arabs from Israel. But ... it will never happen, because if jew push arabs to do the same USNavy will support them as they did in Yugoslavia when support albanise.


Palestinians will NEVER stop theirr terror against jew. A few years ago it was almost signed statement - they will have 96% of all Gaza and W.Bank + Jerusalem as capital and additional land to cover their lost of 4% in desert area. They DO NOT want it. They asked as additional to return all people back to Israel. And of course all deal - gone... and they start intifada. And as you saw before they loose after a couple of years. And now they rebut own mistake and blame USA and Israel, that they do not have Infrastructure.

No, there will never be withdrawal of Arabs from Israel, you see, Palestinians cannot abide Jews living in their lands, hence, Gaza now, Jew free, but Israel is open to a mixture of Nationalities, including Arabs. Since the pullout from Gaza, there has still been unrest, with recent Qassam attacks in Sderot 35 in one session. I have always believed that it was never a settler problem, but rather, that Hamas, Al Aqsa Brigades etc. will only be happy when they see the State of Israel become an Islamic State, so further unrest will continue, regardless of the peace process.

What will happen if Hamas are elected? all hell will break loose, not only the continuation of Palestinian killing Palestinian in Gaza, but the lawlessness will overflow into Israel resulting in the IDF going straight back into Gaza and doing some serious damage.

[Maevi]

Israelites r the worst nation in the world, the people who killed their prophets. The people who live in somebody's land. Killing innocents. Once i saw an Israeli soldier with a gun getting afraid of little Palestinian boy with a stone and by God he killed that boy. I think there is no right for Israelis to live. I as an American hate Israel.

You sit in judgement, condenm a whole Nation, is it not G-d who should be judging us? and yet you insist on the: "living in somebody's land" not even YOU can state who's land it is? and you think your one statement regarding the killing of a Palestinian child is justifation for what? suicide bombings perhaps? lots of Israelis to die at the hands of one Palestinian suicide bomber?

So you do not believe that Israelis should live, is this statement of yours just an Israeli "problem" or is it a "Jew" problem? So you are an American, well, I am British, but thanks be to G-d, that I don't think like you! because not anyone on this Earth deserves to die, no matter where they live, and if you think that wiping out an entire Country of people would solve your problem, then how very sad for you!

[bull]

Palestenians have a place for themselves now,and they are doing a terrible jobin maintaining it.So why do they need this extra peice of nation?what extra do they get with it.

What have they done to help their citizens,till now we had the hamas busy bombing and PLA busy farting.What more can u expect from them.

They just deserve nothing more,whatever they have in hand is more than enough.

[Maevi]

Palestenians have a place for themselves now,and they are doing a terrible jobin maintaining it.So why do they need this extra peice of nation?what extra do they get with it.

What have they done to help their citizens,till now we had the hamas busy bombing and PLA busy farting.What more can u expect from them.

They just deserve nothing more,whatever they have in hand is more than enough.

The Palestinians are warring with each other, in the lawless Gaza, I hope that the Israelis will not interfere, if Palestinian is killing Palestinian, then it is down to the PA to deal with it. The Palestinians have got Gaza back, they have to learn to live together without this power struggle for supremacy, becauase if they cannot live together in Gaza, what hope is there of a new Palestinian State? The World will get to see what a mess Gaza is becoming, and it will be then, that people will begin to wonder whether the Palestinians are capable of running their own State. Because the Israelis will not put up with anymore attacks upon their lives, and the PA know that they have to kick butt in order to bring peace to the Nation.

The World is watching, but the Palestinians are making a mess of things.

[TruSlav]

OK, let me elaborate on this issue a lil' for all of you.

First off, I am pro-Palestinian, and I feel deeply for those people.

I think that most Palis would be content if they just had the same rights as Israelis did, then a state would not be necessary. But what do you say to someone who tells you to get out of your home, regardless of how long you and your ancestors have lived there, and then dynamite your house, and making you live in a squalid refugee camp where there is little if no hope of ever getting out?

And another thing, what is all of this about Palis can't leave their homes, and if they do, they are never allowed to return? Don't deny it---I have heard it from both Palis and Israelis.

A few weeks ago, I was planning my wedding and trying to come up with a good place to go on my honeymoon. I chose Palestine(Israel) as our lil' getaway spot. I voiced this to an Israeli woman that my cousin works with and she told me that it wouldn't be possible to do so, because I would be confined to the Arab parts of the country, and wouldn't get the most out of my trip. I asked why that was so and she told me that Arabs are not allowed to leave beyond their territories and that if I went, it would be better to just go alone. I said fug it cos I wanted to spend time with my husband, not alone.

Basically, I had to cancel my plans to travel Palestine and we settled on Serbia instead. And all because we would be restricted travels around Israel on account of my fiance's ethnicity. He is Palestinian. Ridiculous, truly ridiculous.

Basic rights aren't granted to the Pali Arabs for what reason, may I ask?

BthW, neither me nor my fiance refer to Israel. We prefer to call it Palestine--its real name.

[Shek]

OK, let me elaborate on this issue a lil' for all of you.

First off, I am pro-Palestinian, and I feel deeply for those people.

I think that most Palis would be content if they just had the same rights as Israelis did, then a state would not be necessary. But what do you say to someone who tells you to get out of your home, regardless of how long you and your ancestors have lived there, and then dynamite your house, and making you live in a squalid refugee camp where there is little if no hope of ever getting out?

And another thing, what is all of this about Palis can't leave their homes, and if they do, they are never allowed to return? Don't deny it---I have heard it from both Palis and Israelis.

A few weeks ago, I was planning my wedding and trying to come up with a good place to go on my honeymoon. I chose Palestine(Israel) as our lil' getaway spot. I voiced this to an Israeli woman that my cousin works with and she told me that it wouldn't be possible to do so, because I would be confined to the Arab parts of the country, and wouldn't get the most out of my trip. I asked why that was so and she told me that Arabs are not allowed to leave beyond their territories and that if I went, it would be better to just go alone. I said fug it cos I wanted to spend time with my husband, not alone.

Basically, I had to cancel my plans to travel Palestine and we settled on Serbia instead. And all because we would be restricted travels around Israel on account of my fiance's ethnicity. He is Palestinian. Ridiculous, truly ridiculous.

Basic rights aren't granted to the Pali Arabs for what reason, may I ask?

BthW, neither me nor my fiance refer to Israel. We prefer to call it Palestine--its real name.

TruSlav,

Both the Israelis and the Palestinians have historical ties with the land that was Israel, renamed Palestine by the Romans, and then became Israel again through the UN.

Can you please give some context on these Palestinians that are forced from their homes? There may be perfectly legitimate reasons for their eviction, and in many cases, there are. For example, many homes near known smuggling tunnels are destroyed to prevent illegal arms from entering Gaza, which are later used to conduct terrorist attacks against civilains. This is legitimate. The destruction of the home of a suicide bomber's family is illegal, and while I condemn Israel for this, I don't feel any strong empathy for the family since a child typically learns his values from this family. The Palestinian decision for collective victimhood status is deplorable and a root cause for the current impasse.

Next, what is the background about restricting the movement of Palestinians? Simple. The Palestinian decision to launch the intifadas. It is the obligation of the government to take measures to protect civilians, and when Palestinians decide to detonate bombs to kill civilians, they should expect the Israeli government to take appropriate measures, such as checkpoints, work permits, etc. to protect citizens. Now, this doesn't preclude Israel from blame for inappropriate behavior at checkpoints, which on occaison has happened. However, the inappropriate actions of some soldiers at checkpoints don't make the checkpoints themselves illegitimate.

Finally, you speak of refugee camps. Israel didn't do a good job of targeting these camps with economic improvements, job training, etc. to wipe out the conditions that breed an ideology of hate. However, the PA has had authority and budgets since Oslo to do what the Israelis didn't do well, and they have failed. Instead, money went to Arafat's bank accounts and to purchase arms. Some leadership and responsibility there.

In the end, neither side is innocent, but the biggest obstacle will be removing the collective victimhood mentality of the Palestinians. Jews don't pose a threat to Palestinians. Palestinians pose a threat to Palestinians. Recent events following the Gaza turnover have reinforced this reality.

BTW, enjoy your honeymoon and good luck in your marriage. I've never been to Serbia, but I know that Slovenia and Croatia are beautiful countries. I'm sure that you'll enjoy your time in the area.

[TruSlav]

First off, I never said that Israelis had no claims to the lands, I just stated that the Palestinian Arabs had severely restricted movements, and few civil rights. I am well aware of both groups' ties to these lands, and I object to neither group living there. But I don't agree to an entire group of people being pushed down and expelled just because the dominant group claims their ancestry runs further back(i.e. we were here first, so get out mentality). We have similar problem in Srbija with Kosovo, where the Albanians are pushing for independence, based on their assumptions that they have been there since ancient times and that they are entitled to the land. And just like with Israel, the US and the UN and EU are jumping on the bandwagon and preaching their support for Kosovo independence. There are talks underway to rip Kosovo away from Srbija and prepare a path of independence as we speak.

As for the expulsions, and the destruction of homes owned by Arab families by Israeli government forces, my fiance is witness to these horrible atrocities. His family's 150 year old home was dynamited and their property seized by Zionist forces. They lost everything, their home, their land, and their possessions, as well as vineyards and olive groves, and were forced to emigrate to neighboring lands just to live a semi-normal life. Most moved to Jordan, but he and his mother and father moved to Tabuk, Saudi Arabia to run a computer retail franchise they had started. However, it bottomed out and they moved back to Jordan, save for him. He stayed in Tabuk for 2 more years, then we met. He is planning on getting permanent residence in a few months.

As for the intifadas, they would never have occurred if Israeli government had given the Palestinians equal rights from the get-go. There is only so much that people can take before they begin to reach their breaking point and let all hell go when they do. My fiance was an activist in that first intifada and he told me that it began with peaceful demonstrations that were put down violently, and then the stone throwing began, which we all know got a lot of Palis killed in the process. I understand why the intifada was launched and frankly I wish that Serbs in Kosovo would launch an intifada against UN occupation forces and show the world that we only can take so much before we finally get sick of it and decide to do something about it. Actually, my fiance once said that the solutions to all the world's problems can be found in Balkan and Arab countries. If we can find a way to fix their problems and manage to establish peace in both regions, the rest of the world would be a piece of cake.

I think I sympathise with the Palestinians so much because I see the are so much like us(Serbs). We are both strong races and we have been held down by the Turks for centuries, and we are currently resisting the forces of the New World Order.

Insh 'allah we will win, and finally be free.

[Leader]

"We are both strong races"

Please leave. We don't want any strong racists here.

[TruSlav]

"We are both strong races"

Please leave. We don't want any strong racists here.

Perhaps you are intimidated by my confidence?

[Shek]

Insh 'allah we will win, and finally be free. [/COLOR]

What is winning? Do you call the intifada winning? Just look at the GDP chart I posted from the World Bank? Is that winning? I call it self-destruction and playing the part of the victim. Why was India able to gain her independence through a non-violence movement? Why was the most inspiring movement of the US civil rights era non-violent? The Palestinians have chosen the path of self-destruction and self-harm in an ideology of hate.

[indianguy4u]

The Palestinians have chosen the path of self-destruction and self-harm in an ideology of hate.

True.

[Leader]

Perhaps you are intimidated by my confidence?

Racism is derived from inferiority and fearful ignorance of pathetic people not for "confidence." The idea that your "race" shares any quality besides skin color is false.

[TruSlav]

Dude, you are the one who said I was a racist. I only said that my race was strong. And by strong I mean we have survived for thousands of years despite all that we have endured. And race in this term means the Slavs...I don't know any other term that would fit, so I used race. To me, a race is a large group of people that have two or more things in common ethnically or linguistically, regardless of national origin. Arabs and Slavs are two examples.

I don't know what your idea of a race is, but when I speak, I use terms that I understand so that way I don't confuse myself. And as for a racist, I have always thought that a racist was a person that thought his or her race was superior to all others. I am not that....Strength is completely different from superiority ok? It takes a strong person to survive tribulation. Same goes with groups of people as well. How else can you explain the hell that the Slavs have endured and managed to not become extinct? Same goes with Arabs too. They have suffered greivously over the millenia and still are around. Many a big power has set out to exterminate us entirely and they have all failed miserably. We are still here.

This is what I mean by strong ok?

BthW, skin color wasn't even mentioned, because Slavs differ greatly in skin color tones....some are very light...and some are very dark, so skin colors have never been a source of debate to me. Skin is skin, and we need to thank God we have it and that it is healthy....not worry about the color.