Old Today, 04:06 AM #7
Ray
Senior Member
Colonel,
I am interested in this Missile Defence thing since it has been suggested I believe that India too joins in.
Any worthwhile links from the military point of view?
Though rather remotely connected, I see an effective plan to encircle China and then get it into an arms race in which it burns itself like USSR.
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Old Today, 12:53 PM #8
Officer of Engineers
Doctrine Studies
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Nothing secret, just lack of time on my part.
The Americans already got everything they needed from Canada with the integration of NORAD into Missile Command. The situation that was being presented was that the US wanted Canada in Missile Command as well which is somewhat strange since that position was never offerred (nor should it be offerred) to Canada. From the talk around here was that the US was offerring a dual trigger for any missile heading towards Canada - ie, both the President and the Prime Minister would have to say yes for Missile Command to destroy any missile heading for Canada but the Canadian Prime Minister would have no say over targets heading towards the US which is again what it should be.
From a military standpoint, this was stupid. Of course, any PM is going to say yes to destroy a missile heading towards Canada. The question is would the POTUS say yes (husbanding of missiles in case of a massive strike)?
What the US was offerring in exchange was the re-openning of the cattle trade, settle the softwood lumber issue, and easing of the border trade situation. Now, the US don't have to do any of these things for exactly what they wanted.
Canada, however, is doing some big time ass kissing. NORAD will be expanded to include Maritime and Land Force, though for the latter, I have no idea why nor what good would it do. Our armies are geared to deploy overseas, not in North America, though an integration of reserve assets (DART, CBW) would be nice.
We will deploy a combat brigade to Afghanistan under CENTCOM and not the ISAF though why a combat brigade instead of peacekeeping brigade is somewhat beyond me.
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Old Today, 12:56 PM #9
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray
Colonel,
I am interested in this Missile Defence thing since it has been suggested I believe that India too joins in.
Sir, I'm not sure there is such a system that can effectively defend against SRBM nukes.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray
Any worthwhile links from the military point of view?
I will add it to the package I'm making for you, Sir.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray
Though rather remotely connected, I see an effective plan to encircle China and then get it into an arms race in which it burns itself like USSR.
Rather expensive way of doing things. The other point people failed to remember was that we, the West, nearly went broke too.
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Old Today, 02:04 PM #10
dalem
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray
Colonel,
I am interested in this Missile Defence thing since it has been suggested I believe that India too joins in.
Any worthwhile links from the military point of view?
Though rather remotely connected, I see an effective plan to encircle China and then get it into an arms race in which it burns itself like USSR.
I think China is too smart to get involved in that kind of contest.
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Unread Today, 05:32 PM #11
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Colonel and Dalem,
When I start that article on the Encirclement Theory and China's Counter to it, I think I will post it part by part so that you guys rip it apart and in the end I shall have a fabulous article at hand.
It will require a whole lot of research and no harm if you all start you help as of now.
As they say Will be highly obligated, when obliged would have done!
All contributions to
[email protected]
Thank You.
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Unread Today, 05:40 PM #12
dalem
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray
Colonel and Dalem,
When I start that article on the Encirclement Theory and China's Counter to it, I think I will post it part by part so that you guys rip it apart and in the end I shall have a fabulous article at hand.
It will require a whole lot of research and no harm if you all start you help as of now.
As they say Will be highly obligated, when obliged would have done!
All contributions to
[email protected]
Thank You.
I'll take a shot at it sure. But remember that I am just a mouthy amateur and OoE is a pro.
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Unread Today, 05:45 PM #13
Officer of Engineers
Sir,
From the Chinese PoV, this is certainly reminding them of the Soviet encirclement and they are attempting to break out with the listenning posts in the Indian Ocean. However, Sir, the Soviet encirclement was certainly much tighter and much more reliable (even including India) than what's going on today. The Soviets could count on India to tie down Tibet and Vietnam to start a southern front though of little good up north.
From that context, Sir, what the Americans are doing today (that is IF (I don't see it) they're trying to encircle China - and they don't need to) is a pale comparison to what the Soviets did.
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Unread Today, 05:59 PM #14
Ray
Senior Member
Colonel,
I am starting a separate thread in the Political Forum to separate this from here.
It is an interesting issue since it is worth understanding as to how the US will take up the challenge by China.
All said and done, China is an Asian country and so it should not have taken up so much of time with the US and yet it does.
Ray
Senior Member
Colonel,
I am interested in this Missile Defence thing since it has been suggested I believe that India too joins in.
Any worthwhile links from the military point of view?
Though rather remotely connected, I see an effective plan to encircle China and then get it into an arms race in which it burns itself like USSR.
________________________________
Old Today, 12:53 PM #8
Officer of Engineers
Doctrine Studies
Posts: 3,455
Nothing secret, just lack of time on my part.
The Americans already got everything they needed from Canada with the integration of NORAD into Missile Command. The situation that was being presented was that the US wanted Canada in Missile Command as well which is somewhat strange since that position was never offerred (nor should it be offerred) to Canada. From the talk around here was that the US was offerring a dual trigger for any missile heading towards Canada - ie, both the President and the Prime Minister would have to say yes for Missile Command to destroy any missile heading for Canada but the Canadian Prime Minister would have no say over targets heading towards the US which is again what it should be.
From a military standpoint, this was stupid. Of course, any PM is going to say yes to destroy a missile heading towards Canada. The question is would the POTUS say yes (husbanding of missiles in case of a massive strike)?
What the US was offerring in exchange was the re-openning of the cattle trade, settle the softwood lumber issue, and easing of the border trade situation. Now, the US don't have to do any of these things for exactly what they wanted.
Canada, however, is doing some big time ass kissing. NORAD will be expanded to include Maritime and Land Force, though for the latter, I have no idea why nor what good would it do. Our armies are geared to deploy overseas, not in North America, though an integration of reserve assets (DART, CBW) would be nice.
We will deploy a combat brigade to Afghanistan under CENTCOM and not the ISAF though why a combat brigade instead of peacekeeping brigade is somewhat beyond me.
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Old Today, 12:56 PM #9
Officer of Engineers
Doctrine Studies
Join Date: 08-06-03
Posts: 3,455
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray
Colonel,
I am interested in this Missile Defence thing since it has been suggested I believe that India too joins in.
Sir, I'm not sure there is such a system that can effectively defend against SRBM nukes.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray
Any worthwhile links from the military point of view?
I will add it to the package I'm making for you, Sir.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray
Though rather remotely connected, I see an effective plan to encircle China and then get it into an arms race in which it burns itself like USSR.
Rather expensive way of doing things. The other point people failed to remember was that we, the West, nearly went broke too.
__________________
Old Today, 02:04 PM #10
dalem
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray
Colonel,
I am interested in this Missile Defence thing since it has been suggested I believe that India too joins in.
Any worthwhile links from the military point of view?
Though rather remotely connected, I see an effective plan to encircle China and then get it into an arms race in which it burns itself like USSR.
I think China is too smart to get involved in that kind of contest.
-______________________________________
Unread Today, 05:32 PM #11
Ray
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Join Date: 08-20-03
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Colonel and Dalem,
When I start that article on the Encirclement Theory and China's Counter to it, I think I will post it part by part so that you guys rip it apart and in the end I shall have a fabulous article at hand.
It will require a whole lot of research and no harm if you all start you help as of now.
As they say Will be highly obligated, when obliged would have done!
All contributions to
[email protected]
Thank You.
______________________________________
Unread Today, 05:40 PM #12
dalem
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ray
Colonel and Dalem,
When I start that article on the Encirclement Theory and China's Counter to it, I think I will post it part by part so that you guys rip it apart and in the end I shall have a fabulous article at hand.
It will require a whole lot of research and no harm if you all start you help as of now.
As they say Will be highly obligated, when obliged would have done!
All contributions to
[email protected]
Thank You.
I'll take a shot at it sure. But remember that I am just a mouthy amateur and OoE is a pro.
________________________________________
Unread Today, 05:45 PM #13
Officer of Engineers
Sir,
From the Chinese PoV, this is certainly reminding them of the Soviet encirclement and they are attempting to break out with the listenning posts in the Indian Ocean. However, Sir, the Soviet encirclement was certainly much tighter and much more reliable (even including India) than what's going on today. The Soviets could count on India to tie down Tibet and Vietnam to start a southern front though of little good up north.
From that context, Sir, what the Americans are doing today (that is IF (I don't see it) they're trying to encircle China - and they don't need to) is a pale comparison to what the Soviets did.
__________________
Unread Today, 05:59 PM #14
Ray
Senior Member
Colonel,
I am starting a separate thread in the Political Forum to separate this from here.
It is an interesting issue since it is worth understanding as to how the US will take up the challenge by China.
All said and done, China is an Asian country and so it should not have taken up so much of time with the US and yet it does.
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