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  • PATCHWORK SOLUTIONS

    - For General Musharraf, diplomacy is only war by other means
    Diplomacy -K.P. Nayar

    A few hours after the tragic attack on the Samjhauta Express, Navtej Sarna, spokesman for the ministry of external affairs, was asked by a reporter to comment on the insinuation of his Pakistani counterpart, Tasnim Aslam, that India had not provided adequate security on the train. With the characteristic decency that is a hallmark of civilized governments in such circumstances, Sarna mildly admonished the reporter for looking for headlines or sound-bytes at a time when the priority of those dealing with the heinous crime was to bring succour to the injured and to the kin of those who were dead.

    The coaches of the Samjhauta Express were still smouldering when the ranks of the politically-correct in India began clamouring that the so-called peace process between New Delhi and Islamabad should not be derailed because of the latest in a string of rising terrorist attacks on India. To start with, those who advocate a settlement with Pakistan, come what may, ought to open their eyes to the immediate reaction in Islamabad to the train attack.

    In sharp contrast to Sarna’s measured, factual and humanistic response to reporters, the Pakistani spokeswoman made a number of points in her briefing, each pregnant with the potential to be developed into a diplomatic-***-public-relations missile against India, if and when the situation demands it, in the interests of Pakistan. “It is expected that measures shall be taken by the Indian authorities to ensure security of the train inside their territory,” Tasnim Aslam said even though nothing beyond news reports about the incident was available at the time of her briefing. She was already pointing an accusing finger at India. The implication of what she said was that India had been lax about security on the Samjhauta Express.

    She then proceeded to lace her insinuation with poison of the worst kind under the circumstances. Aslam said she did not rule out the possibility that Pakistanis on the train were specifically targeted, according to an account of her briefing by the state-run news agency, the Associated Press of Pakistan. A transcript of her briefing was not available at the time of writing. “Pakistan High Commission officials [in New Delhi] have been asked to visit the spot…and send a report,” Aslam reassured her countrymen. “We expect the Indian government to conduct [an] investigation into the incident and punish those responsible for this,” she added.

    While India has been doing the right things following the train tragedy, Pakistan has been trying to score points against New Delhi to ensure that the two countries are now equal in the eyes of the international community — both victims of terror and both fighting against terrorism. In Europe and in the United States of America, Pakistani envoys rushed to offer their comments to talk-show hosts and TV anchors although the attack was on an Indian train within Indian territory. And the brief from Islamabad for these envoys was to echo Aslam’s reaction, prefacing it, of course, with nice words about the need for peace efforts with India to continue and to portray Pakistan as a victim of terror. By its callous manipulation of the events after the train attack, Pakistan has managed go some way in portraying itself as a victim of terror, grossly distorting the reality that it is the fountainhead of global terrorism not only against India, but against much of the world, from Moscow to Montreal.

    Could it be an accident that the attack on Samjhauta Express, which now has the effect of painting Pakistan as a victim of terrorism, occurred within days of the BBC acquiring secret footage of the latest profusion of taliban training camps inside Pakistan that are enabling the taliban to achieve a resurgence inside Afghanistan? Could it be an accident that threescore or more Pakistanis died in a single terrorist attack on Indian soil just a month after John Negroponte, the US’s intelligence czar for nearly two years, explicitly told a Senate committee that al Qaida’s “operational connections and relationships…radiate outward from their leaders’ secure hideout in Pakistan to affiliates throughout the Middle East, North Africa and Europe?” Could it be a coincidence that a large number of Pakistanis were victims inside India of a terrorist strike only weeks after a newly assertive US Congress, controlled by Democrats, passed a bill to stop military assistance to Pakistan unless it stops the taliban operating from its territory — a bill that unsettled even the Bush administration into issuing a statement through the US embassy in Islamabad repudiating several provisions in the legislation?

    The great Prussian military philosopher, Carl von Clausewitz, wrote that “war is nothing more than the continuation of politics by other means”. For Pervez Musharraf, diplomacy is nothing more than the continuation of war by other means. As the United Progressive Alliance government slowly but surely blunders into an illusory peace deal with Pakistan, Musharraf is trying to achieve through niceties what he could not get through bullying in Agra in 2001.

    The Manmohan Singh government would have already finalized a settlement of the Siachen dispute with Pakistan if the army and the air force had not taken the rare step late last year of expressing themselves firmly but clearly against bartering away India’s strategic advantage on the glacier for the cosmetic advantage of ticking one item off the list of bilateral disputes between New Delhi and Islamabad.

    Fortunately, the penchant of the external affairs minister, Pranab Mukherjee, for caution and discretion and the obsession of the defence minister, A.K. Antony, with transparency and fairness in decision-making also put roadblocks along the path of a questionable deal with Pakistan which would have led to a change in the status quo on the Siachen glacier.

    In Kashmir, central to the peace plan that is secretly being negotiated with Pakistan, is a form of self-government to both Jammu and Kashmir and parts of the state that are now illegally occupied by Pakistan. The history of similar recent negotiations elsewhere ought to have cautioned the prime minister’s aides against proceeding with ideas such as self-government. In Kosovo, negotiations which started on similar lines may soon end in independence for the enclave, which has not only been an integral part of Serbia, but in many senses is the heart and soul of the Serb nation.

    The experience of East Timor, which is now independent of Indonesia, is further proof that a fractious polity such as India should not take the risk of entering such delicate negotiations. This is not to suggest that Kashmir may end up breaking away from India. The net result may well be an avoidable baggage for future governments similar to Nehru’s legacy of taking Kashmir to the United Nations, the burden of which Nehru’s daughter and grandson had to shoulder.

    The idea of reducing Indian military and paramilitary strength in Jammu and Kashmir in proportion to a decline in violence in the state is as old as the Lahore Declaration negotiated between the prime ministers, Atal Bihari Vajpayee and Nawaz Sharif, in February 1999 after Vajpayee’s bus journey and his celebrated visit to Minar-e-Pakistan. The daily average number of people killed in Jammu and Kashmir from terrorist violence every day since the UPA government came to power is three. Can any government seriously consider the force reductions now being advocated by the prime minister’s negotiators until that figure is brought down to zero?

    But beyond statistics, what the settle-with-Islamabad-at-any-cost lobby, both within the government and outside, seems unable to grasp is that for Pakistan — be it Musharraf, the jihadis or the Nawaz Sharif-Benazir Bhutto types — Kashmir is not the disease, it is only a symptom. For them, the disease is India itself. Most Pakistanis — even those who genuinely recognize the superiority of India’s political system, its economy and its strategic strength over their own — still believe in the two-nation theory. As long as that remains the case, any solution that governments in New Delhi and Islamabad negotiate for Kashmir will remain a patchwork, which cannot survive the test of time.

    The Telegraph - Calcutta : Opinion


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

    HAKUNA MATATA

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    • Originally posted by veera8 View Post
      what are those steps ??pls elucidate us (no sarcasm indented)
      These train attacks would have been averted if the ticketing clerck had stick to his simple job of not issuing ticket to people who do not have passport/visa. Such blasts occur because people in charge fail to execute simple commands. It is like we have covered 90% of ground work for these attacks and are waiting for terrorist to do rest of the 10%.

      Now, suspending erring ticketing officials will not solve the problem, because they are not the root of the problem. If some other person was posted for issuing tickets, he would have done the same, which is to neglect his duty.

      It is easy to blame others for your problem, thats our nature, thats what we do. Congress blames BJP, BJP blames left, left blames Congress, we have seen it all. By doing this, we try to absolve ourselves from our actions or should I say inactions. Putting all the blame and hatred against paksitan is one such example. Every time we look away when we see miscarriage of justice or for that matter any bad deed, we become part of this menace.

      Problems are many, most important ones are incompetency, corruption and lack of threat perception. So, we need public campaigns against these evils first. The sad part is I seldom hear any leader talking about eradicating these evils first. I suggest people read this article, which highlights sorry state of affairs regarding one such evil, corruption (written by reputable personality)
      http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fna...20060831&sid=1

      nitin
      Last edited by nitinjindal83; 21 Feb 07,, 12:38.

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      • Sir,
        Thanks for that article, it is quite well analysed. It brought out the "aim" of this attack - to play the victim card on the international level.

        I had been racking my brains too for the reason for the attack, I assumed it was to put India on the backfoot during the current foreign ministers meeting, but it seems to be much more than that.

        Its not a surprise that most of those killed were poor and had no value except to be martyred for the cause.

        Cheers!...on the rocks!!

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        • Guess who is Pakistans Railway Minister?

          A guy called Sheikh Ahmed Rashid. Whats his claim to fame in the past?

          When terrorism was at its peak in the Valley, Information Minister Sheikh Rashid Ahmed set up terrorist camps in Pakistan where around 3,500 jihadis were trained in guerrilla warfare.

          This astonishing revelation has come from Kashmiri separatist leader and JKLF chairman Yasin Malik. According to Daily Times , Malik has said that Rashid actively supported the armed struggle in Kashmir by setting up training camps. Rashid trained around 3,500 jihadis in guerrilla warfare around that time, Malik has said.

          Malik was talking to the audience in an exhibition of 1.5 million signatures by Kashmiris demanding their involvement in the dialogue process in Islamabad. The exhibition showed thousands of pictures of Kashmiri people participating in Malik's signature campaign.

          "Sheikh Rashid has played a great role for Kashmir's liberation. He used to support the frontline Jihadis, but very few people know about his contributions," Daily Times quoted Malik as saying.

          Malik reportedly demanded free and fair elections to choose true representatives of Kashmiri people for the dialogue process.

          Although Malik praised Rashid for his contribution to the armed struggle, the minister refused to comment when journalists approached him.
          Pak minister set up terror camps for jihadis-India-NEWS-The Times of India

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          • Originally posted by nitinjindal83 View Post
            These train attacks would have been averted if the ticketing clerck had stick to his simple job of not issuing visa to people who do not have passport. Such blasts occur because people in charge fail to execute simple commands. It is like we have covered 90% of ground work for these attacks and are waiting for terrorist to do rest of the 10%.
            All terrorists are passport less and visa less moronic newbies?
            Hear you all India bound tourists, the moment you over stay your visa, you automatically get converted to a bloodthirsty train bomber. No less.

            Originally posted by nitinjindal83
            Now, suspending erring ticketing officials will not solve the problem, because they are not the root of the problem. If some other person was posted for issuing tickets, he would have done the same, which is to neglect his duty.
            Of sure, India is such a corrupt and godforsaked country only! There is not a more honest citizen left except Mr. Jindal!

            Originally posted by nitinjindal83
            It is easy to blame others for your problem, thats our nature, thats what we do. Congress blames BJP, BJP blames left, left blames Congress, we have seen it all. By doing this, we try to absolve ourselves from our actions or should I say inactions. Putting all the blame and hatred against paksitan is one such example. Every time we look away when we see miscarriage of justice or for that matter any bad deed, we become part of this menace.
            Of man, we have to blame ourselves for all this sh!t. 1948, 1965, 1971, Kargil, Parliament attack. And the self combusting Sabarmati Express. And now the Samjhauta Express.
            I say nuke the sh!t out of Pk, Bd, Ch and everyone and take the blame once for all.

            Originally posted by nitinjindal83
            Problems are many, most important ones are incompetency, corruption and lack of threat perception. So, we need public campaigns against these evils first. The sad part is I seldom hear any leader talking about eradicating these evils first. I suggest people read this article, which highlights sorry state of affairs regarding one such evil, corruption (written by reputable personality)
            http://outlookindia.com/full.asp?fna...20060831&sid=1
            nitin
            I got it, you put in a competent, honest and hawkish system in place and the Jihadis will suddenly experience a new found love for the Kaffirs. OMG, they'll throw down all those Kalashnikovs and send us loads of roses by Samjhauta Express.

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            • The Peace Train Blast: Was Lashkar-e-Jhangvi Involved?* International Terrorism Monitor-Paper No. 195

              THE PEACE TRAIN BLAST: WAS LASHKAR-E-JHANGVI INVOLVED? INTERNATIONAL TERRORISM MONITOR: PAPER NO.195
              By B.Raman


              It would seem that while the majority of the 68 passengers killed in the explosions-***-fire in two coaches of the Samjotha Express (Peace Express) at Deewana, near Panipat, on the night of February 18,2007, were Pakistani nationals, more Hindus than Muslims were killed. This fact emerges from a scrutiny of the proceedings in the Pakistan National Assembly relating to the carnage

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              2.According to a statement made by Pakistan's Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Khusro Bakhtiar in the National Assembly on February 20,2007, the identities of 49 of the 68 persons, who perished in the fire, have been established so far, Twenty-seven of them were Hindus and only 22 were Muslims. The Pakistani authorities have released to their media the identifying particulars of 13 of the Muslims, who perished. All of them were Mohajirs----eight from Karachi and five from Hyderabad, Sindh. They have not so far released the identifying particulars of the Hindus, who perished. It would seem that in the affected coaches, many Pakistani Hindus were returning home in Sindh after visiting their relatives in India. .
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              cont.
              I'm still waiting for our Pakphile, peaceloving, compatriot experts to come back from their Bajrang Dal/SS/VHP witch hunt...after "investigating all possibilities".

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              • These train attacks would have been averted if the ticketing clerck had stick to his simple job of not issuing visa to people who do not have passport.
                Nitin ji do Ticketing clerks issue Visas?

                Are terrorists always people with no passports and no visa's?

                PS: I think i mentined this before, but passport, customs and immigration checks on this train are carried our at the border station.

                If you actually read what you are posting, you'll get depressed. It makes little sense. I am apalled that you've taken the Leftist, Islamic take on this. You've always responded in 'may be', 'might be', 'i meant'. Please make your mind up before posting. Else you're giving no direction and meaning to your posts. You're the farthest on this board from an unbiased peacenik. ;)

                No offense intended Nitin ji.

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                • COrrection in my post. When I wrote "not issuing visa to people with no passport", it should be "not issuing ticket to ppl with no passport"

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                  • Was there actually any "real" possibility that somebody other than the Islamic terrorists did this?

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                    • Originally posted by MarquezRazor View Post
                      Was there actually any "real" possibility that somebody other than the Islamic terrorists did this?
                      My cabbie's panwallahs sons friends dad is sure Martians are behind this.

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                      • Originally posted by gamercube View Post
                        It does seem weird that Pakistan jihadi groups would target their own countrymen to derail the peace process.

                        The logical explanation would be that the Bajrang Dal and other such outfits might have had something to do with it. However, although the Bajrang Dal has committed grievous crimes in the past, they have never gone to the extent of placing bombs anywhere.
                        Hmm...what kind of logic says that Bajrang Dal who have no history of bombing something might have done it,while on the other hand it is weird that jihadi groups who continue to bomb civilian targets throughout the world didnt?

                        ...yeah thats probably the right logic!
                        Last edited by MarquezRazor; 21 Feb 07,, 12:59.

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                        • IMO a prime suspect in this case should be Pakistan's railway minister. He should be allowed to be called in for questioning at the very least. This is the guy who has trained Jihadi's in terror camps to do exactly this very kind of work. I don't think Pakistan is one bit sincere in tackling terrorism. It's just external pressure and squeeze that makes Musharaff and company tug a little here and there. But inner sincerity is obviously lacking big time.

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                          • Originally posted by subba View Post
                            IMO a prime suspect in this case should be Pakistan's railway minister. He should be allowed to be called in for questioning at the very least. This is the guy who has trained Jihadi's in terror camps to do exactly this very kind of work. I don't think Pakistan is one bit sincere in tackling terrorism. It's just external pressure and squeeze that makes Musharaff and company tug a little here and there. But inner sincerity is obviously lacking big time.
                            IMVVHO using "sincerity" and them in the same line kinda changes the meaning of the word.

                            Even if theres definite proof against the minister,calling him for "questioning" is just a dream.Its the same as ..say..calling Musharraf for questioning for the Kargil war crimes.

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                            • Originally posted by Srirangan View Post

                              Jehadis have had no hesitations in killing muslims just as they have no problems killing kaffir hindus or crusading christians.
                              Its the same old thing.People claim to put religion ahead of their mother nation.And they are a part of the whole religious brotherhood all across the world irrespective of any nation,race or group they belong to.And then again they show no qualms about taking the lives of their fellow religious followers when need arises as has been proved repeatedly in various incidents.

                              But no..if you point that out you are probably prejudiced and ignorant.

                              If THAT isnt hypocrisy the I dont know what is.

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                              • Originally posted by subba View Post
                                Nitin ji do Ticketing clerks issue Visas?

                                Are terrorists always people with no passports and no visa's?

                                PS: I think i mentined this before, but passport, customs and immigration checks on this train are carried our at the border station.

                                If you actually read what you are posting, you'll get depressed. It makes little sense. I am apalled that you've taken the Leftist, Islamic take on this. You've always responded in 'may be', 'might be', 'i meant'. Please make your mind up before posting. Else you're giving no direction and meaning to your posts. You're the farthest on this board from an unbiased peacenik. ;)

                                No offense intended Nitin ji.
                                Thnx for pointing out the excessive/unnecessary use of phrases
                                "meant", "may be". I will try to improve in future posts.

                                "Leftist Islamc". What is islamic about my posts. Would you also elaborate what kind of left u mean.

                                thank u
                                nitin

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