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  • This strike and the previous one in 2016 should be seen as pre-emptive and not punitive.

    Apparently the former has some basis in international law but not the latter.

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    • Paks tried to retaliate, were foiled but now we have a couple of pilots captured.

      India shot down Pakistan Air Force's F-16, one IAF pilot missing in action confirms government | TOI | Feb 27 2019

      The Government today confirmed that India shot down a Pakistan Air Force fighter jet and in that operation one Indian Air Force pilot is missing in action. Pakistan has used its Air Force to target military installations in India in response to Indian counter-terrorism operations but their attempts were foiled successfully, External Affairs Ministry said.

      In a very brief press statement, External Affairs Ministry Spokesperson Raveesh Kumar, accompanied by Air Vice Marshal RGK Kapoor, also said details are being ascertained about Pakistan's claim of having captured one Indian pilot.

      "Against this Counter Terrorism Action, Pakistan has responded this morning by using its Air Force to target military installations on the Indian side. Due to our high state of readiness and alertness, Pakistan's attempts were foiled successfully,"Kumar said.

      He said the Pakistan Air Force was detected and the Indian Air Force responded instantly. "In that aerial engagement, one Pakistan Air Force fighter aircraft was shot down by a MiG 21 Bison of the Indian Air Force. The Pakistani aircraft was seen by ground forces falling from the sky on the Pakistan side. In this engagement, we have unfortunately lost one MiG 21. The pilot is missing in action. Pakistan has claimed that he is in their custody. We are ascertaining the facts," he said.," Raveesh Kumar said.

      The statement follows after Pakistan claimed that it shot down two Indian military aircraft over Pakistani air space and arrested two pilots.
      Last edited by Double Edge; 27 Feb 19,, 12:43.

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      • This seems to be the start of deescalation.
        Pakistan demarched on the act of aggression against India
        February 27, 2019

        The Acting High Commissioner of Pakistan was summoned this afternoon by MEA to lodge a strong protest at the unprovoked act of aggression by Pakistan against India earlier today, including by violation of the Indian air space by Pakistan Air Force and targeting of Indian military posts.

        This is in contrast to the India’s non-military anti-terror pre-emptive strike at a JeM terrorist camp in Balakot on 26 February 2019. It is unfortunate that instead of fulfilling its international obligation and bilateral commitment to take credible action against terrorist entities and individuals operating from its soil, Pakistan has acted with aggression against India.

        It was clearly conveyed that India reserves the right to take firm and decisive action to protect its national security, sovereignty and territorial integrity against any act of aggression or cross-border terrorism.

        India also strongly objected to Pakistan’s vulgar display of an injured personnel of the Indian Air Force in violation of all norms of International Humanitarian Law and the Geneva Convention. It was made clear that Pakistan would be well advised to ensure that no harm comes to the Indian defence personnel in its custody. India also expects his immediate and safe return.

        Regret was expressed at continuing denial by Pakistan’s political and military leadership at the presence of terrorist infrastructure in territories under its control. A dossier was handed over to Pakistan side with specific details of JeM complicity in Pulwama terror attack and the presence of JeM terror camps and its leadership in Pakistan. It was conveyed that India expects Pakistan to take immediate and verifiable action against terrorism emanating from territories under its control.

        New Delhi
        February 27, 2019
        https://mea.gov.in/press-releases.ht...+against+India

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        • Paks are de-escalating

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          • Very sharp views in the video, now that there is a Indian wing commander to parade around, Pakistan has the tools to use its information warfare machinery to deescalate back to the normal.

            Jaish-e-Mohammad in itself is a group with a stated goal of uniting Kashmir with Pakistan, and also the follow up goal of driving all non-Muslims out of the Indian Subcontinent (into the ocean i presume).

            For India, this is going to go on for a long time, and from the status of things in Pakistan, there is no peaceful end to it.

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            • It has already been going on for a long time.

              India needs to declare Pakistan an enemy state. Everything will follow on from there. There is a need for consensus here which has been missing for a long time. Read Sood's post

              In the meantime, 35A is under review and will hopefully be disposed off. Next will be 370.

              The PA wants Modi back in office for another term as he makes their job easier, apparently.

              They will get their wish.
              Last edited by Double Edge; 27 Feb 19,, 16:17.

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              • Originally posted by kuku View Post
                Very sharp views in the video, now that there is a Indian wing commander to parade around, Pakistan has the tools to use its information warfare machinery to deescalate back to the normal.
                He is MIA as far as i know. The other side claims to have captured him

                Last edited by Double Edge; 27 Feb 19,, 16:17.

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                • For the short term we need to keep applying military pressure, diplomatic pressure, and economic pressure.
                  Set conditions which are achievable (but hurt) for deescalation of the current situation, which will put further diplomatic pressure.
                  To deescalate now doesnot seem logical.

                  For the long term eventually peace on our terms is ideal.

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                  • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                    He is MIA as far as i know. The other side claims to have captured him

                    India also strongly objected to Pakistan’s vulgar display of an injured personnel of the Indian Air Force in violation of all norms of International Humanitarian Law and the Geneva Convention. It was made clear that Pakistan would be well advised to ensure that no harm comes to the Indian defence personnel in its custody. India also expects his immediate and safe return.

                    Above is from MEA Release: https://mea.gov.in/press-releases.ht...+against+India

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                    • Originally posted by kuku View Post
                      India also strongly objected to Pakistan’s vulgar display of an injured personnel of the Indian Air Force in violation of all norms of International Humanitarian Law and the Geneva Convention. It was made clear that Pakistan would be well advised to ensure that no harm comes to the Indian defence personnel in its custody. India also expects his immediate and safe return.

                      Above is from MEA Release: https://mea.gov.in/press-releases.ht...+against+India
                      Question is what was the basis for their strike ?

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                      • I am pointing out that MoEF has pointed that they have our guy.

                        As for their strikes.
                        As the lady said, Pakistan is an insurgent, the basis for all their strikes is to show that they survive and can hit back.
                        Is is not wise to attribute logic to a nation which has put such brainwashed radicals so close to a nuclear bomb. Stupidity precedes malice all the time.

                        At the same time the Great Idiots in USA have given Pakistan F-16s, BVR missiles, EW equipments etc. etc. for fighting terrorists in mountains, as a gift for killing their soldiers in Afghanistan. The irony was these weapons were the ones Indian Air Force feared while bombing the very guys who killed American soldiers along with ours, and again these weapons are the ones PAF used to shoot our guys down. Thank god TRUMP had the guts to stop it unlike the noble peace price winner Obaba

                        i gave up on logic a long time ago...

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                        • An IAF Bison shot down an F-16 with a Close Combat missile the R-73 and during the pursuit crossed the LC and was brought down by ground fire

                          Unnecessary

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                          • Someone says, Indian Navy is on the move.....towards Karachi.....
                            Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!

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                            • A blockade ? heh why not

                              Something Tronic mentioned to me years ago as a possible response to any terrorist attack

                              But i kept thinking of this nuclear thing, well that nuclear bluff was called early yesterday morning.

                              People were saying there will definitely be a kinetic response and i was wondering how.

                              Timing is lousy, only a couple of months left so they pull the militants back from the launch pads.

                              What is there to strike then ?

                              I never imagined we'd go bold and deep.

                              Second mental barrier overcome, crossing the LOC is one thing. PoK is Indian as far as we're concerned.

                              But going into Pakistan proper is a stretch

                              They pulled them back and collected them in a couple of training camps because they never thought we get that far.

                              We took one out.
                              Last edited by Double Edge; 27 Feb 19,, 20:56.

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                              • Originally posted by kuku View Post
                                As for their strikes.
                                As the lady said, Pakistan is an insurgent, the basis for all their strikes is to show that they survive and can hit back.
                                Is is not wise to attribute logic to a nation which has put such brainwashed radicals so close to a nuclear bomb. Stupidity precedes malice all the time.

                                i gave up on logic a long time ago...
                                Our justification was non-military, pre-emptive against militants.

                                Not on Pak state, its military or people.

                                For them to hit a military camp in response is an escalation on their part or can we just call it a provocation.
                                Last edited by Double Edge; 27 Feb 19,, 21:34.

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