Will SARS make a come back?

[Double Edge]

Looks like their backing away from that batshit crazy idea

The UK backs away from “herd immunity” coronavirus proposal amid blowback | Vox | Mar 15 2020

more than 200 scientists and medical professionals pushing back against the herd immunity strategy in an open letter Saturday. These experts argued that herd immunity does not “seem a viable option” because it could overwhelm the UK’s National Health Service with very sick patients. Instead, they called for strict social distancing measures of a more serious variety than the government has currently recommended.

Sense prevails

The United Kingdom is previewing a new self-isolation plan for all people over 70 to address the spread of the novel coronavirus in the country, following backlash over a proposal to promote immunity by allowing up to 60 percent of its population to become infected.

What about the rest ?

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India's idea of informing the public on do's and don't is to stick a recorded message on to every call made.

So you call someone you will hear this same message that goes on for half a minute telling you what to and not do and what to look out for BEFORE the call is placed.

Very effective i think if otherwise annoying > : |

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What about the rest ?

Canada is doing the same. If you feel sick, self isolate for 2 weeks. You don't even get tested. If you can walk into EMERGENCY at the hospital, they will tell you to lock yourself at home. Only the very sick will get tested as to not overwhelm the system. Schools are cancelled for 3 weeks (March Break and online courses). Nursing homes are on lock down. However, nothing is closed. Theatres, however, closed every second seat and all seats are wiped down after every showing.

[kato]

Bavaria has formally declared a state-wide state of emergency.

This allows
a) to organize a formal command structure (interior ministry / provinces / districts as levels)
b) to mobilize all civilian assistance forces to act as maneuver forces for this structure, including 450,000 volunteers in the state (mostly in Red Cross and volunteer firefighters)
c) to, if necessary, evacuate areas and/or deny people access
d) to draft anyone and anything required for assistance

Example for d) is that all doctors now have to report how many lung ventilators have available, for possible drafting.

As of this morning, throughout the state:

• all events and gatherings of people are outlawed. Exceptions are granted for private gatherings in private residences in which all participants have a personal social connection (family or coworkers).
• all facilities serving recreational purposes of any kind are required to close. There's a list that basically ranges from pools via brothels to youth centers.
• all gastronomy is required to close. Exceptions are granted for to-go and delivery services, as well as - between 6 am and 3 pm - for canteens and restaurants, provided they limit capacity to 30 people and seat them separately with minimum 1.5m distance.
• all retail is required to close, except:
  • groceries and drinks
  • DIY stores, gardening and pet supplies
  • banks and post offices of Deutsche Post
  • pharmacies and various other medical supply stores
  • gas stations and car repair workshops
  • cleaning services
• in return the above excepted retail stores may now also open on sundays

[kato]

Critical infrastructure maintenance crews in my state for various infrastructure have switched to full preparedness: They're now structured in small teams that have no personal contact with each other but are laid out with all the necessary qualifications and training to replace each other. That way if one team gets an infection and is thus quarantined another team simply switched in for them.

Oh, we've also now outlawed operation of brothels for the next five weeks statewide.

[Double Edge]

Coronavirus: India has 30 days to halt onset of stage III, says ICMR DG | TOI | Mar 14 2020

India is at stage 2 presently

Dr R R Gangakhedkar, the chief epidemiologist at ICMR, said only those with symptoms of Covid-19 were being tested as present.

"Everyone with flu symptoms doesn't need to get tested because the spread of the disease is limited at present.

Even among those with travel history or possible contact with an infected individual, testing is advised only if he or she has symptoms of Covid-19.

This is because if the test is conducted in asymptomatic individual the viral load is likely to be less and that may result in false negative results.

Such individual may get a false sense of security and continue to spread the disease," he said.

ICMR scientists said the advisory on testing may be changed if there is enough evidence of Covid-19 reaching stage III.

I don't get the rationale here. If it looks like India is moving towards Stage 3 then we do more tests otherwise not ?

"At ICMR, we have a network of 106 virus research and diagnostic laboratories (VRDLs) across the country. We get samples of influenza like illnesses (ILIs) and severe acute respiratory infection (SARI) regularly.

Between February 15 and February 29, we asked 13 of these labs to take 20 random samples and test them for Covid-19 to see if the novel coronavirus had spread in the community as well. All samples tested negative.

The exercise will be repeated on March 15 to assess whether community transmission is happening or not. Depending on the findings, further action will be taken on guidelines for testing," the ICMR chief said.

ok, so this is interesting, they take random samples on a monthly basis but the number and frequency (once a month) seems a bit low. Just 20 ?

But does India have enough testing kits to scale up diagnosis if Covid-19 spreads exponentially, affecting communities or takes to epidemic proportions? Bhargava said in terms of testing capacity the available labs are underutilised at present.

"The 51 labs for designated for testing Covid-19 swab samples are capable of conducting 4,590 tests daily.

At present, we are getting only about 60 to 70 samples per day. So, at present, the labs are heavily underutilised.

In future, if the demand increases, we have made arrangements to ensure the lab network can expand soon enough to handle the situation," the ICMR director general said.

That's reassuring to read.

"There are over 57 sample collection centres where this is being done at present. These can easily be expanded.

For testing, we require two key chemical agents, the primer and the probe.

Primer can be prepared locally while probes we have to buy.

The ICMR lab network has one lakh probes available and additional two lakh probes are being procured.

We have also been approached by major international companies who have prepared the tests kits and are willing to supply them too.

Based on the validation of their claims for testing and the need, we will procure more chemical agents and kits to ensure that there is no dearth of testing facility," Bhargava said.

ICMR experts said they were not thinking about private labs and hospitals for testing yet. "We will think about that if and when the need arises," they said.

OK, much better. They see no need for more to get involved as they aren't being pushed yet. Simple reason.

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ok, so this is interesting, they take random samples on a monthly basis but the number and frequency (once a month) seems a bit low. Just 20 ?

If a bit more regular that's called "sentinel testing", although it's usually a somewhat bigger sample - in Germany it's about 25-30 samples per week for each of seven age cohorts. Currently each sentinel sample statistically represents about 6000 consultations for acute respiratory syndrome; on a rough scale a single selected doctor in each district in Germany sends a single sample once per week.

The purpose is to see exactly which virii are present causing acute respiratory syndromes in the population, which tends to show clear waves. In Germany the beginning of the flu season shows high percentages for Rhinovirii which go down when Parainfluenza shortly spikes in November/December, and by the new year usually makes way for general Influenza on a rapid rise. The week before last they first found a single incidence of SARS-CoVid-19 in a sentinel sample (checking for this began February 24th).

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I don't know what to make of this "herd immunity" thing, but perhaps eventually the best people to work among at-risk populations are those who've contracted the disease and recovered. Provided one can't be infected with it twice, once being enough for immunity.

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Govt is creating a scare in the country to promote foreign medicines

Govt's agenda is to create fear

Is GOI trying to create fear ? i would say their actions are the exact opposite to the point I would like them to be more aggressive.

One of the doctors was saying they're not expanding testing to private clinics because it will create a panic.

These morons are charging the govt with just that !!

We will make offerings to the corona to calm it

In Event 201, countering mis-dis-information talk it was suggested govt co-opt religious figures to help reinforce the message.

I don't think the Indian govt is doing that.

Am also sceptical whether religious figures would agree to advocate anything that separates them from their flock.

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I don't know what to make of this "herd immunity" thing, but perhaps eventually the best people to work among at-risk populations are those who've contracted the disease and recovered. Provided one can't be infected with it twice, once being enough for immunity.

A fascinating idea. But people have been readmitted after being infected once. It's not clear whether it was a relapse or re-infection.

Coronavirus: can you get covid-19 twice or does it cause immunity? | Independent | Mar 14 2020

Still, this article does create a little hope that with more research it could be possible.

According to Li QinGyuan, director of pneumonia prevention and treatment at China Japan Friendship Hospital in Beijing, those who have been infected with Covid-19 develop a protective antibody - but it isn’t clear how long the protection lasts.

"However, in certain individuals, the antibody cannot last that long," Li told USAToday.

"For many patients who have been cured, there is a likelihood of relapse. In children, it is currently believed that the virus causes the development of at least short-term immunity. No one knows for sure, but most children likely develop at least short-term immunity to the specific coronavirus that causes Covid-19"

According to Dr Stephen Gluckman, an infectious diseases physician at Penn Medicine and the medical director of Penn Global Medicine, who spoke to the outlet, it seems likely that having the disease once results in immunity in most individuals - as is seen with other coronaviruses.

“Coronaviruses aren’t new, they’ve been around for a long, long time and many species - not just humans - get them,” he explained.

“So we know a fair amount about coronaviruses in general. For the most part, the feeling is once you’ve had a specific coronavirus, you are immune. We don’t have enough data to say that with this coronavirus, but it is likely.”

He says that because that is how it worked with MERS

MERS also had a 50% fatality rate.

“The immune response to Covid-19 is not yet understood,” the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) explains.

“Patients with MERS-CoV infection are unlikely to be reinfected shortly after they recover, but it is not yet known whether similar immune protection will be observed for patients with Covid-19.”

MERS is a corona virus so ipso fatso Covid ?

This means that people who initially recovered are more likely to relapse rather than get reinfected with the virus.

According to one study, people with mild infections can test positive for the virus by throat swabs “for days and even weeks after their illness”.

But, that doesn’t mean it isn’t possible to contract the disease again, especially in those who are immunocompromised.

So leave out the immunocompromised then, what about the rest ?

More testing needed : )

[kato]

That video reminds me of how they were "safeguarding" against the "Asian Flu" in 1957 over here: Formamint tablets. Formamint was a 19th century "cold medicine" that at the time basically consisted of 0.5% formaldehyde bound to milk sugar. They used them in '57 to desinfect their mouths, and that was about the only "precaution".

About the only reason that '57 influenza didn't kill off more than a few ten-thousand in Germany was because elderly people had an antibody stemming from a possibly related virus making the rounds around 1900.

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If a bit more regular that's called "sentinel testing", although it's usually a somewhat bigger sample - in Germany it's about 25-30 samples per week for each of seven age cohorts. Currently each sentinel sample statistically represents about 6000 consultations for acute respiratory syndrome; on a rough scale a single selected doctor in each district in Germany sends a single sample once per week.

The purpose is to see exactly which virii are present causing acute respiratory syndromes in the population, which tends to show clear waves. In Germany the beginning of the flu season shows high percentages for Rhinovirii which go down when Parainfluenza shortly spikes in November/December, and by the new year usually makes way for general Influenza on a rapid rise. The week before last they first found a single incidence of SARS-CoVid-19 in a sentinel sample (checking for this began February 24th).

This is the tripwire to tell when a community is breached.

Koreans & Brits are setting up these drive in test centres in various parts of the country to test for community transmission.

[Double Edge]

That video reminds me of how they were "safeguarding" against the "Asian Flu" in 1957 over here: Formamint tablets. Formamint was a 19th century "cold medicine" that at the time basically consisted of 0.5% formaldehyde bound to milk sugar. They used them in '57 to desinfect their mouths, and that was about the only "precaution".

About the only reason that '57 influenza didn't kill off more than a few ten-thousand in Germany was because elderly people had an antibody stemming from a possibly related virus making the rounds around 1900.

Here is an example of an exchange i engaged with a couple of weeks back to explore the fear angle

It's starting to look to us on the outside that the whole world is being played. They are using a bad flu season to fear porn the world. We suspect that there's no such thing as the "covid 19 virus".

But there have been plenty of deaths from the plain old regular flu. Enough to make it seem as though some killer virus somehow got out of a lab. We all been played.

YES!!! I’ve been thinking this for over two weeks. I even tweeted several questions alluding to my concern. Then a guy on YouTube, called Montagraph, did several videos about it being fake. He’s OctoberReignz on Twitter check him out.

I have watched many of his videos. He's quite the researcher and has many connections. It would seem that all nations are in cahoots...at least as far as our "leaders" and their minions go. They're all playing a role in mass deception. We'll see what kind of shenanigans they pull when flu season is over.

If those clips are even real we know that they can target individuals (and crowds too) using directed microwaves. We have caught these "leaders" of ours hoaxing mass shootings and car/truck attacks. The psychopaths we're dealing with don't think like us.

So i ask who benefits ?

T.H.E.M. THEY (those who own everything worth owning and leave us the scraps) have a motto: "Many birds, one stone"

For the most part it's about control. If they are putting all of their chips on the table then that means the USA and other countries will be seeing city and community lock downs like in China. But not only is the devil in the details....the devil's in the RETAILS.

Lots of money to be made here. From masks to pharmaceuticals. Everything from food to toilet paper to cigarettes will be an issue. If they can keep us locked away in our homes then they only have to worry about the few of us who will not comply.

Will you be getting their vaccine(s) for the next round? I will not be. That's a promise.

There is already a "one world government" in place but they just haven't told us yet.

T.H.E.Y. are all buddies and T.H.E.Y. all went to elite schools...including "rocket man" from North Korea.

Then i probe further with

the problem with your theory of T.H.E.M. is when people are locked in they are unproductive and will soon cease to consume. That's a loss for them isn't it. If i own everything i want you to keep buying non-stop. How will that happen if you cannot afford to ? the things people are stockpiling cost peanuts. Food, toilet paper, cigarettes, heh. No Tesla, no condo, no iphone. So i make in years what i could make in one month.

T.H.E.Y. no longer need all of us. Check out the Georgia Guidestones.

THEY don't really need our money anymore but they will take as much of our wealth as THEY can while they have us hold up in our own little prison homes.

THEY print the money.

But like I said...it's mostly about control. It's not a theory. It's fact.

This may just be a beta run but it could be THEM putting all of their chips on the table as well.

Quarantine is seen as govt imposed prison. And some go as far as saying the virus is for population control.

When i look at the comments section of some videos i find its 95% trolls, quacks & wingnuts. These people get upvoted the most. If you know how to tell a story. I'm not surprised rumours spread so easily. Everywhere.

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A little perspective

The Eight Great Plagues

Mexico (1545-1548), Cocoliztli Epidemic, 80% of the population died (5-15 mn)
Mexico (1576-1580), Second Cocoliztli Epidemic, 50% died (2-2.5 mn)
Europe (1331-1353CE) 20-60% of Europeans died in the Black Death (75-200 mn people)
Worldwide (1918-20) Spanish Flu, up to 100 mn
Europe, Egypt, West Asia (541-542CE) Plague of Justnian, 40% (25-50 mn)
Worldwide (1920-present) HIV/AIDS, 32 mn
Japan (735-737CE) 1/3 died of smallpox
Roman Empire (165-180 or 190CE), Antonine Plague, 5-10 mn

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Europe (1331-1353CE) 20-60% of Europeans died in the Black Death (75-200 mn people)

Europe only had 75-80 million people in total at that time.