gays.. good or bad?

[Trooth]

Lots of people are dying of AIDS. Not just homosexuals. They're a high risk group because of the technicalities involved, but it isn't like heterosexuals are immune, just statistically lower risk.

The biggest killer related to sex is child birth. Are you proposing that child birth is unnatural?

Does having a big nose make you jewish? I thought being a Jew made you Jewish.

[Ziska]

does having black skin make you african? I was deliberately being sterytypical.

AIDS spreads amongst people largely because they are sexually promiscuous. Whether they are homo or hetero, people get infected because they sin. I'm not saying that all people who get AIDS deserve it, but if people only had sex with their hetero spouses, the incidence of HIV/AIDS would plummet.

Childbirth is indeed very dangerous. The reasons are mentioned in the Bible.

"Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee." - Genesis 3:16

Childbirth is difficult for women because it is part of the curse God placed on creation. Just as later He says that man would have to work hard to grow food.

Childbirth, like AIDS, is a direct consequence of sin.

[Ray]

TV goes pink in France

Paris, Oct. 25 (Reuters): Gays across France celebrated the launch of the country’s first television channel for homosexuals today, anticipating a pink mixture of fashion, travel, talk, cult movies, music and soap operas.

The launch of “Pink TV” comes as gays in France are already making headlines with a controversial push to legalise same-sex marriages and calls to enhance the fiscal rights of gay couples. “The gay wave,” Le Parisien daily said in big letters on its front page on top of a rainbow flag. But the creators of Pink TV say they also want to cater for heterosexuals.

“Pink will not be a ghetto channel, but one to assert gay identity,” its president, Pascal Houzelot, told Le Parisien. “We want to accompany a positive development in society but remain watchful of movements going the opposite way.”

Houzelot estimated some 3.5 million people in France are gay, some seven per cent of the population, and hoped to attract at least 180,000 subscribers to the private channel. For nine euros ($11) a month, viewers will be able to cheer gay comedians, enter debates on gay rights, enjoy classic films or watch porn movies late at night.

Gay rights activists say the channel could help make homosexuality more acceptable in France, where the conservative government has taken a strong stance against legalising gay weddings or allowing gays to adopt children.

“The gay channel helps to show homosexuality is something normal, which is a good thing,” said Alain Piriou from the Inter-LGBT gay rights group.“It can highlight that gays are just another part of society with their own interests.”

But Piriou said Pink TV, whose launch has caused little controversy so far, would be unlikely to play a major role in the struggle to improve gay rights.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/104102...ry_3924978.asp

[Samudra]

Childbirth is difficult for women because it is part of the curse God placed on creation. Just as later He says that man would have to work hard to grow food.

Childbirth, like AIDS, is a direct consequence of sin.

Childbirth is the holiest of things that can happen to a mother...not a direct consequence of a sin ! Its a sin to call child birth a sin . Can you go tell a mother that child birth is a result of sin ? .. .

[mostlymad]

Can you go tell a mother that child birth is a result of sin ? .. .

chandragupta, this comes from the bible, so those who take the bible literally believe it. Eve ate from the tree of knowledge (the forbidden fruit) and in doing so, sinned. God punished her and all of her female descendents by making childbirth painful.

Even going by the bible, painful childbirth is not a direct consequence of sin (as in a woman has sex, gets pregnant, and has painful childbirth) It is an indirect consequence to all women of Eve's sin. So all women are punished for something they didn't do.

No where in the bible does it say AIDS is god's punishment for sin.

[Samudra]

mostlymad
Its in the interpretation...You always have to strive to look for positive things.
To me , god cannot curse , cannot punish.He is all loving , all embrace , all mighty ! Not a cruel fiat who rules by issues of curses and punishments upon humanity.
It defies the very image of an all suffering Christ.Here , the christ is willing to suffer any degree of punishment for us , and you call child birth as a result of sin.

But upon , a little "un-emotional" , "religious" thinking i was wondering if the very same thing could be attributed to karma....i would say pain , you suffer for your bad deeds...the child is a gift of god for your good deeds...So its literally your "actions" that determine how much pain is endured and stuff like that.

[mostlymad]

chandragupta, I stopped believing in the christian god as portrayed in the Old Testament years ago for the very reasons you state. How can a perfect god be less compassionate than a human parent with all his/her failings? I would never punish my children as the Oldtestament god punished his.

The New Testament takes a very different approach. I always wondered if in his travels, Jesus hadn't encountered Eastern philosophy. There are many similarities and the teachings of Jesus were so drastically different from the Old Testament, which is supposed to be god's word. Nice thing, that the New Testament came to be. :)

[Samudra]

Old ? New ?

I know zilch of them...but some where in the future when i dont have to depend on my fathers money(pray it comes soon ) , i plan buy and read all these religious books(pray i dont go crazy) ...may be you have to be patient until then

but what/how does ziska think about this ? how can there be a god , the all-loving , all embracing god who punishes ruthlessly.

[Fonnicker]

but what/how does ziska think about this ? how can there be a god , the all-loving , all embracing god who punishes ruthlessly.

I guess that is why they are considered "God fearing". That alone makes me really wonder. Why should I fear God?

[mostlymad]

I guess that is why they are considered "God fearing". That alone makes me really wonder.

The catholic church (and I'm guessing some other branches of christianity) went through changes about 40-45 years ago, re-writing all the children's religious books. The new ones emphasized "love of God" rather than "Fear of God." Fear of god is based on the Old Testement; love of god is New Testament. Only took the catholic church about 1,900 years to do the shift! ;)

Not all christians fear god.

Why should I fear God?

......guilty conscience?

[Fonnicker]

The catholic church (and I'm guessing some other branches of christianity) went through changes about 40-45 years ago, re-writing all the children's religious books. The new ones emphasized "love of God" rather than "Fear of God." Fear of god is based on the Old Testement; love of god is New Testament. Only took the catholic church about 1,900 years to do the shift! ;)

Not all christians fear god.



......guilty conscience?

True I guess. By their standards I am probably destined to hades.

[Samudra]

Guilt.
So how much of religion was imposed for the sake of moral up-keeps?

Think about it..You know the girl next door is pretty.You also know god is ever-loving,ever-caring and ever-forgiving.So what if you go rape her ? You can always claim some love and affection from god ! But if god is supposed to be feared and you are going to recieve some stick for a "rape" instead of love , may be the girl can be saved ?

[mostlymad]

Think about it..You know the girl next door is pretty.You also know god is ever-loving,ever-caring and ever-forgiving.So what if you go rape her ? You can always claim some love and affection from god ! But if god is supposed to be feared and you are going to recieve some stick for a "rape" instead of love , may be the girl can be saved ?

Good point, in principle, but what I see happening is the guy rapes the girl anyway, and to avoid the punishment, he simply makes the religion a male dominated one, where sin comes from women by their very nature. The woman tempted him by her very nature, she showed her hair, her ankle, etc. So she is punished far more harshly than the man. Not all the time, but it happens, which brings us back to what you have been telling us - priestly laws made for convenience.

[mostlymad]

True I guess. By their standards I am probably destined to hades.

well, by those same standards, I'll be there to keep you company (and keep picking on you! :) )

[Confed999]

http://www.telegraphindia.com/104102...ry_3924978.asp

LOL :)