I'm bored: Moral Question

[gunnut]

Save the chimps!!!

Let's harvest the livers of PETA members.

[ZFBoxcar]

Cause they are smarter and more like us. Now you might argue that if on the basis of their intelligence they should recieve better treatment, then maybe it would not be legitimate to kill them at all. To that I would say that human life is worth more than chimp life. Since I can make that distinction, I can also make the distinction that chimp life is worth more than chicken life.

[bonehead]

I'll drink to that.:)

[ZFBoxcar]

Since it seems that nobody here really has a problem with killing chimps to save lives (I don't either), it seems like Dale's chimp vs HIV vaccine debate has really shifted to the "do you really care if gays or other 'dredges of society' die from AIDS?" debate. The fact that that is even a debate makes me angry. If there is a cure and you don't care about chimps, why WOULDN'T you cure HIV? Because there are other diseases out there? Unbelievable.

[Wooglin]

The cold-hearted reality is that we can kill all the chimps to save every person with AIDS but the vast majority are likely to die from starvation, or some other disease anyway. That's because, despite it being a very preventable illness, it's spreading, primarily in areas where overpopulation and lack of resources is already a problem. In the big picture it's not going to make much of a difference, but maybe we'll feel good for a little bit.

[dalem]

They'd probably find a way to grow chimpanzee livers from stem cells or something.

All attempts fail. Only real chimp livers are viable.

-dale

[dalem]

Save the chimps!!!

Let's harvest the livers of PETA members.

Livers of lower primates cannot be considered relevant. ;)

-dale

[Trooth]

If the supply is limited then you have to start in the areas where the disease is concentrated since as a vaccine this would stop its spread the quickest.

In the case of HIV that is sub saharan africa. This would have to be a fair trade arrangement. I.e. they supply the monkeys as part of a bartering system to get the drugs out of the western drug companies at knock down prices.

Aside from prioritisation of the vaccine as above. I wouldn't discriminate. apart from anything else discriminating gives the disease a foothold for life.

[bonehead]

If the supply is limited then you have to start in the areas where the disease is concentrated since as a vaccine this would stop its spread the quickest.

In the case of HIV that is sub saharan africa. This would have to be a fair trade arrangement. I.e. they supply the monkeys as part of a bartering system to get the drugs out of the western drug companies at knock down prices.

Aside from prioritisation of the vaccine as above. I wouldn't discriminate. apart from anything else discriminating gives the disease a foothold for life.

For HIV it is the lifestyles we live that is the overriding factor that decides whether or not HIV gets and keeps a foothold.

[Trooth]

For HIV it is the lifestyles we live that is the overriding factor that decides whether or not HIV gets and keeps a foothold.

Such as? Have you seen the rates in sub-saharan africa?

Here are the stats. With numbers of this magnitude it has past lifestyle and is now well into the mainstream. Especially in sub saharan africa, hence that is why i would deploy the vaccine there first.

UN report :-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h..._06_unaids.pdf

Quick question what lifestyle trait would you say the 0.5m chldren around the world who where infected with aids this year demonstrated?

What about the third of million children around the world that will die this year of Aids? What is their lifestyle trait?

Show me the numbers, show me the lifestyle.

[Shadowsided]

They'd probably find a way to grow chimpanzee livers from stem cells or something.

they can probabaly od that now. I mean the cloned Hitlers nose and a sheep so why not a monkey liver!:)

[Wooglin]

Such as? Have you seen the rates in sub-saharan africa?

Here are the stats. With numbers of this magnitude it has past lifestyle and is now well into the mainstream. Especially in sub saharan africa, hence that is why i would deploy the vaccine there first.

UN report :-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/h..._06_unaids.pdf

Quick question what lifestyle trait would you say the 0.5m chldren around the world who where infected with aids this year demonstrated?

What about the third of million children around the world that will die this year of Aids? What is their lifestyle trait?

Show me the numbers, show me the lifestyle.

If you lived in an area with a very high rate of HIV would you keep having unprotected sex, or would you adjust your lifestyle? When you continue to have unprotected sex in an area with high HIV rates, is it really any surprise there are high rates of HIV infected children?

[ArmchairGeneral]

The cold-hearted reality is that we can kill all the chimps to save every person with AIDS but the vast majority are likely to die from starvation, or some other disease anyway.

Starvation? Not really. Sure, there are occasional famines in Africa, but that's not going to kill nearly as many as AIDS does. When's the last time you heard about a famine in South Africa? They've got tons of AIDS there. Disease? Maybe. But just about everybody's gonna die of some disease or other, so what's your point?

[Parihaka]

The cold-hearted reality is that we can kill all the chimps to save every person with AIDS but the vast majority are likely to die from starvation, or some other disease anyway.

Simple. Once you've got the livers, feed them the monkeys.

[Trooth]

If you lived in an area with a very high rate of HIV would you keep having unprotected sex, or would you adjust your lifestyle? When you continue to have unprotected sex in an area with high HIV rates, is it really any surprise there are high rates of HIV infected children?

You are assuming they are all born with it then.