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Originally posted by Wooglin View PostWell if "whatever I want" is anything beyond watching it via the embedded youtube player then yes, it's covered in the TOS you agreed to. Thus, the fact that it's your cache is irrelevant.
The electric company has to use MY property, MY wiring, to provide it's service to me, but I'm pretty sure they'll stop service if I decide that means I don't have to pay them to use it. I think I'm going to lose that fight.To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
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Originally posted by JAD_333 View PostThe point is usage. If you are going to use the power company as an analogy, then the question is can the power company deny you power because they don't like what you watch on TV.
The electric company provides a product to me which I pay to to use, and so does the copyright holder of music and videos. They are both providing me this product partially by the use of my property. The difference here is youtube is a third party in the middle of you and the copyright holder providing the content for free under certain conditions regarding its use. Just because I have free access to the content doesn't make it mine, and the fact that it's being provided by use of my own property doesn't change that.
Now, if I had an agreement with some third party that provided me free electricity under certain conditions, then yes, they can deny me power if I break those conditions. The argument that it's mine to do with what I want because you have to use my property to provide it doesn't really hold up.Last edited by Wooglin; 24 Jan 12,, 17:10.
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Here's the thing. Youtube doesn't supply the player. You have to get it somewhere else and youtube also allows you to embed their materials within your own webpage. Youtube does not require you to use a specific player and frankly does nothing to control the behaviour of your player. Your player may or may not erase the cache.
In other words, if your player does not erase the cache, then who's fault is that? You? The software? Youtube for not dictating your player's behaviour or even the choice of your player?
And of course, you can resell electricity. What do you think we do when we buy batteries?Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 24 Jan 12,, 17:24.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostHere's the thing. Youtube doesn't supply the player. You have to get it somewhere else and youtube also allows you to embed their materials within your own webpage. Youtube does not require you to use a specific player and frankly does nothing to control the behaviour of your player. Your player may or may not erase the cache.
In other words, if your player does not erase the cache, then who's fault is that? You? The software? Youtube for not dictating your player's behaviour or even the choice of your player?
I have a store, all the products exposed, no security, no cameras, no alarms, you stole them, who's fault is it?No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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Originally posted by Doktor View PostYour fault.
I have a store, all the products exposed, no security, no cameras, no alarms, you stole them, who's fault is it?
Ok, you and I know how to kill a cache but what about old mom who can barely turn on a computer? Are we expecting her to have the technical expertise?
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostHere's the thing. Youtube doesn't supply the player. You have to get it somewhere else and youtube also allows you to embed their materials within your own webpage. Youtube does not require you to use a specific player and frankly does nothing to control the behaviour of your player. Your player may or may not erase the cache.
In other words, if your player does not erase the cache, then who's fault is that? You? The software? Youtube for not dictating your player's behaviour or even the choice of your player?
And of course, you can resell electricity. What do you think we do when we buy batteries?C. You agree not to access Content through any technology or means other than the video playback pages of the Service itself, the Embeddable Player, or other explicitly authorized means YouTube may designate.
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Wooglin:
C. You agree not to access Content through any technology or means other than the video playback pages of the Service itself, the Embeddable Player, or other explicitly authorized means YouTube may designate.
U-Tube tacitly accepts your equipment when it downloads to it.To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostBut I didn't steal them. I use a player authorized by you. I didn't modify the player in any way shape or form. I played your material. I launch my player again and it's still there through no actions of my own.
Ok, you and I know how to kill a cache but what about old mom who can barely turn on a computer? Are we expecting her to have the technical expertise?
If you want to make the case it becomes your property then you need to attack the TOS. If they broke the contract somehow then you maybe have an argument there.
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Originally posted by Wooglin View PostUnderstood. But it's still not yours to convert and put on your ipod according to the TOS.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostI am by no means advocating such a position ... which is why I am so uncomfortable about all this. The technology encourages, no, it actually demands caching, which is technically speaking a violation of the TOS.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostBut I didn't steal them. I use a player authorized by you. I didn't modify the player in any way shape or form. I played your material. I launch my player again and it's still there through no actions of my own.
Ok, you and I know how to kill a cache but what about old mom who can barely turn on a computer? Are we expecting her to have the technical expertise?No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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