The battle of Brexit!

[Double Edge]

He has ruled that option out too; the UK will leave the EU on All Saints Eve (October 31). If they get that far...

How has the record been so far about saying leaving and then not leaving : D

End of March they said was final. Turned out to be quarter final.

Now its end of October. That will be sem-final

He's going to kick the can down the road

It is of course possible though unlikely that he could get a decent majority if he held an election before October 31 in which case the EU may be more inclined to somehow find some solution that could be passed in the UK Parliament. Problem is he has ruled out an election before leaving the EU on October 31st. So basically he is living on borrowed time until a confidence vote is called on a 'no deal' self destruction alternative. I do not care how much he blusters or how many classical allegories he makes about Pericles or Churchill even, he cannot square the circle.

If May's deal was unacceptable then he has to get something better.

He will probably take another two years assuming he gets to stay in office.

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I guess if another referendum is dead, then the remainers in parliament will probably hold their noses and vote for Mays deal.

It's not great, but at least it will prevent a border in Ireland.

There will then be two years of transition, (possible to extend) to negotiate our way back into the single market and Remain can live to fight another day.

It's got to be about damage limitation now and preventing a no deal exit.

^this

[Freyr]

I believe the investigation into Banks is the subject of several court cases including a judicial review. Questions remain.

Nearly 2 years ago ...nothing yet

I was/am Anglo Polish, so what?

I'm not going to distrust his wife just because she's Russian.

Why did he lie about meeting the Ambassador?

He didn't he said he'd a boozy lunch with him

About which offshore account he used to transfer money?

Do you have evidence to prove that? He stated in the video I posted that the Money came from his UK business

About his operating gold mines?

He has numerous investments ..so what

His net value in the insurance business is less than £3m so how can he give £9m to Farage as well as fund him a house, bodyguard etc to the tune of £500k p.a that Farage neglected to tell anyone about? Riddle me that Sherlock.

His Net worth is reported as £100 million – £250 million (June 2018)... Nobody can really calculate it properly because he has investments in overseas companies

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How has the record been so far about saying leaving and then not leaving : D

End of March they said was final. Turned out to be quarter final.

Now its end of October. That will be sem-final

He's going to kick the can down the road



If May's deal was unacceptable then he has to get something better.

He will probably take another two years assuming he gets to stay in office.

The UK wiill be leaving regardless of whether there is a deal or not. Nothing can stop the UK leaving on Oct 31st. Even if a general election is called it won't happen until after the UK has left

[Double Edge]

Not a bad speech IMHO. Lots of promises thea will cost lots of money.

Well, the UK has been on an austerity drive now for how long ? I remember Cameron talking about it in 2012. So that is what seven plus years now ?

Man says he wants to spend then UK economy has recovered and not in the same state it was back in 2012.

What is missing from his speech is foreign policy & defense.

Hunt wanted to increase defense spending but he lost the vote by the Tories. So UK maintains the 2% of GDP for defense. Boris does not talk about increasing defense spending. No votes in it.

He needs a free trade deal with the US but is quiet when Trump says he likes Boris. So does not want to look like he's in Trump's pocket. Also Trump is controversial in Europe. Getting too chummy with Trump does not go down well at home.

Thing with Trump is he sees, economic, defense & politics as integrated. UK wants economic with the US but the other two are problematic. Is UK going to curb Huawei. What about the Iran deal.

Whatever trade deal materialises with the US, the template will be NAFTA 2.0. Elements of it have already found their way into FTA's with Korea & Japan.

What Boris needs to do now is pull votes from the Brexit party. Unite the leavers. Cabinet should give confidence that the people selected will support a no deal come Oct 31. Rees-Mog, Raab & Patel.

That leaves remain in equal numbers for labour and the lib dems. That will nicely split the remainers : )

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Two things on that Starkey blurb you posted. First he said that if these migrant workers had all come in and occupied all the cheaper end of the housing market that would be a 'matter of fact'. Well fair enough... but then he quotes no statistics that proves it was 'matter of fact'. He just assumes that having said if this had happened it would have been a matter of fact - which is a bit circular anyway - is enough to prove that it did in fact happen. But he not prove the 'matter of fact' merely stated a circular argument; if it rained yesterday evening it rained yesterday. That does not mean it DID actually rain yesterday.

Last count I think was 3 million immigrants, unless they're living in tents I'd say that was a burden on housing availability

Let me make this real simple for you... Before Thatcher sold off the the Council Houses below market prices just about anyone of the 'working poor' could get an average quality family home for affordable rent and continue working, bringing up their kids and life went on as normal.

There was actually a housing shortage after the 2nd WW. My Grandmother had to resort to a swap because she couldn't get a house from the council and so swapped her flat for a house with another tenant. The house was crawling and had to be completely refurbished by my Grandad which almost caused a break up in their marriage it was that bad

These houses went back to post WW1 when they were built to house returning soldiers.

Some were, many were built after the 2WW due to the depletion in housing stock due to bombing.

In effect having this vast social housing stock acted to keep private sector rents down because why pay a fortune when after two years on a waiting list you could get a cheap rent Council House. Thatcher sold alot of them off cheap which flushed the Local Authorities with cash and gave the tenants that bought them a capital asset. I am not saying this was wrong in itself but nobody really invested in new social housing stock in the public sector. This was left to what became 'housing associations' which acted a bit like charities. It was great for the people who could afford to buy their houses cheap - they got a capital asset cheap - but those who could not afford to buy got further left behind and the Government more or less said they were not it's problem; the private sector should do some magic and produce a solution for them.

Agreed

Not read that anywhere.

He wasn't exactly happy with him

Well that is just bollocks. The property boom was transatlantic and based largely on a mishandling of interest rate policy by the Fed following the .com bust of 2000. They lowered rates from 6.5% to under 2% so made it worth borrowing to buy property. This in turn lead to the rise of people selling mortgages to people who probably did not the means to pay them - the so called 'sub prime mortgage' market. Then they put alot of these mortgages together and traded them as asset bundles between the banks, collateral for hard cash or other assets. This started to wrong when rates rose to above 5% in 2006 and it became obvious that alot of these mortgages were worthless as the purchasers could not actually pay then at the higher rates and in 2007 - 2008 the banks left with these packages of mortgages that they could trade or use as collateral realised they have gaping holes in the value of their assets where they had thought these packets of mortgages had a value. So cash flow problems grew until inevitably Lehmans went bust in September 2008. This started a domino effect as banks could no longer borrow from each other and each was scrambling for cash. It affected the British banks and the Icelandic banks - where alot of the British local authorities had stashed their money as they had been told it wasn't their business to build new social housing. Iceland of course could not hope to cover the losses of their banks as the debts were many times greater the value of the Icelandic economy so had to let them go to the wall. Brown and to a large extent the US thought it was an 'existential threat' to economic solvency. If all the banks go broke everyone loses money - whether you've got $50 or $5m in the bank it's gone - and the economy just grinds to a halt, people return to barter etc... So they set about bailing out the banks to keep them and (in their eyes) the economy going. Central Banks interest rates went down 0.25% etc making them negative in real terms in some cases. Then they started this 'quantitative easing' magic money making farce to provide further suplus value and cash in the markets mostly to bring liquidity to the banks.

US Fed Rates; https://www.macrotrends.net/2015/fed...storical-chart (just click 20yrs)

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BoE rates pretty much mirror US Fed rates though at a higher level during the 2002-2005 period.

LOL nice pic??

Well I'm sorry my point still stands that Gordon Brown let the Housing market rip. This is actually recorded history. You're confusing the Sub prime problem in America with a completely separate issue in the UK. Yes UK banks were affected by the Sub prime scandal but the dot. com crash is not why housing prices rose in the UK from I think 1997- 2004. It was deliberate tinkering by Brown to increase asset wealth to encourage borrowing, if you were stupid enough, Many people borrowed against their apparent new windfall ...

Northen Rock I think started as a Building Society but like alot of Building Society demutualised persumably in the 1990s when there was a trend of doing that. It allowed the new banks to borrow alot more which they did to fund mortgages in the early 2000s. When the liquidity crisis caused by the US sub prime reduntant value hit in 2007 they couldn't borrow to pay their loans so got 'nationalised' by Brown for the reasons I have explained. I think someone later bought them from the Government though doubtless for less than the value of the debts the Government absorbed.

Yes they lent money to people they shouldn't have. They abandoned generations of tried and tested checks on assets and wages and lent where they shouldn't have. MORONS! Alot of this debt was brought about by the house price increase I previously talked about. I had a property that increased by 100,000 in 4 years 2000-2004. My wages didn't reflect its new value, I was lucky thats all but people buying after 2004 were being given vastly more than 3.5 times earnings to compensate for the new price increases. Which is why we now have so much rental accommodation available.

Are you saying Aaron Banks is not a true British patriot? I am not saying that the old 'Council House' system in the UK was ideal. I seem to think children could inherit the rent of their parents house but partly due to the 2008 crash, where I know Kent County Council lost money in the Icelandic bank collapse and partly due to the increasing difficulty in getting new building permission due to a desire to preserve the 'green belt' the private sector has not been able to keep up a suffient new build rate to keep rents low for the 'working poor' and this has again become a problem for Local Authories who are faced with increasing homelessness and the crime and drug dependence such desperation brings.

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....hmmm nice table....House building needs to increase and it needs to be affordable , no arguement there

Why so antsy my friend? I am merely trying to engage in a polite conversation about these matters which seem somehow to concern you. You have shown me not one correlation between Gordon Browns tax policy and the housing market nor the crash of 2007-8 or the lack of affordable housing stock today in the UK. I on the other hand offer a comprehensive explanation of it all from Thatcher to Cameron. Yet I am the uninformed when your only answer is Gordon Brown done it? You accuse me of being a socialist... and that I am no business person I probably run more small businesses than you - not for love of money but for interest mainly, save some pennies so I can send my Children to a private school etc... If you cannot engage politely best we agree to differ and thanks for the fish

I give as good as I get

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Nearly 2 years ago ...nothing yet

Due to the coming judicial review.

'm not going to distrust his wife just because she's Russian.

Very decent of you I am sure. However, like so many of these other glamorous young Muscovite Ladies such as the faux redhead (who was actually a pretty stolid short haired brunette in her Mother country) Maria Butina, who hung around the American NRA and is currently facing charges for having worked as an undeclared agent, she is not your average type of Lady.

To save you the time let me give you a brief history of the second Mrs Banks nee Ekaterina Paderina. She comes from Ekaterinburg, which is in the Urals and incidentally where Nicholas ll and his family were kept and shot. There her Pater is head of Government Property in the city, her Mater is a teacher. So lucrative was the lucky couples earnings that in the 1990s they could afford to send their pretty daughter to English to "learn English." Perhaps they inherited a legacy or something. Where in England did she go to study english? One would have Salisbury as it is apparently famous for the height of it's Cathedral spire as recently attested by two recent Muscovite visitors. No she went to Portsmouth to 'study English' which is not famous for any Cathedral but is the UKs main naval base.

On arriving in Portsmouth the glamorous young (then 25) blonde (or she was at the time) must have have felt the time of her stay was threatened as one day while sunbathing she asked some 54yr old English guy, who at the time was on benefits and living in a Council flat, to rub suntan lotion into her back... Well you cannot blame the poor fellow though a more wary Gentleman of that age might have had more reservations. A few 'dates' ensued and before long they became Mr and Mrs Butler. Here is a picture of the lovely couple in November 1998;

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img...de-1595247.jpg

Except as the poor fellow should have known that Aphrodite had not by some fluke favoured him. As they signed the wedding certificate she changed "As we signed the register she looked at me and said 'You're on my dress."
"I said 'Sorry dear' thinking I had stood on her dress. She then said to me 'I don't love you, I'm not married to you in Russia. If you come at me you will feel the full power of Russia.' "I laughed at her and said she was ever so funny, but she was dead serious. I should have annulled it there and then."

Strange comment for a new Bride to her beloved that "If you come at me you will feel the full power of Russia." Was she not an innocent lost girl 'studying English'? A few months into the marriage she starts going out until the early hours saying is she meeting girlfriends; a private detective followed her and Special Branch Police visited him to search the house while she was out finding a whole of new dollar bills under the carpet. "When I mentioned to her later that the carpet was up and there was money under it she went ape**** but she didn't explain where the money had come from."

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...ve-eu-campaign

Then it is said she met with an ex MP to further her cause to remain in the UK. This MP, Mike Hancock MP for Portsmouth, allegedly helped her remain in the UK. He became famous in 2010 over an incident concerning another glamorous young Muscovite Lady named Katia Katia Zatuliveter, who worked as his 'aide' and as his Mistress while he sat on the Parliamentary Defence Committee. MI5, the British domestic intelligence service, suspected that the lovely Katya, who had previously had affairs with a Dutch diplomat and a German NATO was rather more than just fond such eminent elderly Gentlemen and wanted her deported. She appealed and won the case only to return to Muscovy anyway as her cover was of course blown. She now lectures in 'tourism' apparently.

Anna 'Chapman' (nee Fermanova) was another glamorous young thing who came to England to "study English", married a naive guy, divorced him quickly before going to the US where she was eventually arrested for espionage, plead guilty to conspiracy to act as an agent of a foreign government without notifying the U.S. Attorney General - the same as Butina. In 2010 she and others that arrested with her were swapped in part for Sergei Skripal, who made Salisbury so famous in Muscovy.

Ekaterina Paderina met Banks while she was divorcing Mr Butler. They married in 2001 and all went moderately badly as late as 2013 when financial regulators in Gibraltar had been scrutinising his insurance under-writer, Southern Rock. They had discovered it was keeping reserves far below what was needed. Her new husband suddenly starting becoming a genius businessman and buying up gold mines in South Africa (that are not operational) and opening offshore accounts - like the good patriot he is. For an investigation into Banks' dubious business record see; see; https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/dar...afford-brexit/ The answer is probably pretty obvious; the lovely Wife has 'friends from back home who would like to invest' or some such. Meanwhile the number plate on her car was 'tweeted' by Andy Wigmore (Banks' right hand man) during the referendum which reads X MI5 SPY. When asked she apparently said she never shopped in MFI. Yea just an ordinary Muscovite girl, collecting eggs from the chickens, milking a goat or two.... going to work. No this Lady is not your average Muscovite girl from the provinces; she very clearly has an agenda. I do not doubt it entirely her own agenda.

He didn't he said he'd a boozy lunch with him

Doubtless - Slavic men love their vodka but what he did not say was he met the Ambassador 9 times during the referendum.

Do you have evidence to prove that? He stated in the video I posted that the Money came from his UK business

Yes. The Parliamentary Committee discovered that the money sent to the Leave campaign came from an offshore account of his in Jersey I seem to recall offhand but one of the Channel Islands. You can find the footage on Youtube, posted by guess who? RT, formerly known as 'Russia Today'.

He has numerous investments ..so what His Net worth is reported as £100 million – £250 million (June 2018)... Nobody can really calculate it properly because he has investments in overseas companies

That is the point of the investigation and I refer you again to the opendemocracy investigation.

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sounds good b man. Now if you could get us out of this eu bollocks and perhaps give that hair a bit of a combing that would be way cool!

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[Freyr]

According to D. Cummings the £350 million was an under estimate

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A man held in contempt of Parliament now working in 10 Downing St and apparently arguing that Boris will not resign as PM if a vote of no confidence is passed.

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A man held in contempt of Parliament now working in 10 Downing St and apparently arguing that Boris will not resign as PM if a vote of no confidence is passed.

Cummings said he had offered to give evidence under oath but was ignored

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Better dress sense than Theresa thats for sure ;-)

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Looks like something Justin would do.

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Looks like something Justin would do.

Boris has a stronger Indian connection than Justin, his previous wife, Marina Wheeler, is half sikh. Her grandfather Khushwant Singh was well known in political circles here.

Boris grand father is Turkish.

Its amusing how Brexit supporters were described as racists when this is their poster boy, now leading the show.

A UK that thinks globally is one we are very interested in getting to know better. He needs to survive long enough so we can clinch an FTA together.

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Cummings said he had offered to give evidence under oath but was ignored

Regardless of what he offered he was held in contempt of Parliament. If a vote of no confidence is passed and it seems certain the Opposition will put the motion when the House reconvenes, and Johnson does not resign it is likely that an appeal will be made to the Queen to dismiss him - a very distasteful intrusion of Crown privilege in British constitutional terms. It would mark an exemption from longstanding precedent; Chamberlain resigned on an adjournment motion which the Government won by 60 something votes.