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  • #91
    While European countries are being lectured about their failure to take in enough refugees, Saudi Arabia – which has taken in precisely zero migrants – has 100,000 air conditioned tents that can house over 3 million people sitting empty.

    The sprawling network of high quality tents are located in the city of Mina, spreading across a 20 square km valley, and are only used for 5 days of the year by Hajj pilgrims. As the website Amusing Planet reports, “For the rest of the year, Mina remains pretty much deserted.”



    The tents, which measure 8 meters by 8 meters, were permanently constructed by the Saudi government in the 1990’s and were upgraded in 1997 to be fire proof. They are divided into camps which include kitchen and bathroom facilities.



    The tents could provide shelter for almost all of the 4 million Syrian refugees that have been displaced by the country’s civil war, which was partly exacerbated by Saudi Arabia’s role in funding and arming jihadist groups.



    However, as the Washington Post reports, wealthy Gulf Arab nations like Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait and others have taken in precisely zero Syrian refugees. Although Saudi Arabia claims it has taken in 500,000 Syrians since 2011, rights groups point out that these people are not allowed to register as migrants. Many of them are also legal immigrants who moved there for work. In comparison, Lebanon has accepted 1.3 million refugees – more than a quarter of its population.

    While it refuses to take in any more refugees, Saudi Arabia has offered to build 200 mosques for the 500,000 migrants a year expected to pour into Germany.



    Saudis argue that the tents in Mina are needed to host the annual Islamic pilgrimage to Mecca, but given that the Arabic concept of Ummah is supposed to offer protection to all Muslims under one brotherhood, surely an alternative location could be found so that Mina can be repurposed to house desperate families fleeing war and ISIS persecution?



    While Europe is being burdened by potentially millions of people who don’t share the same culture or religion as the host population, Gulf Arab states refuse to pull their weight, resolving only to throw money at the problem.



    The likelihood of the Saudis inviting Syrian refugees to stay in Mina is virtually zero, but the thousands of empty tents serve as a physical representation of the hypocrisy shared by wealthy Gulf Arab states when it comes to helping with the crisis.
    Last edited by tankie; 12 Sep 15,, 11:48.

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    • #92
      What would it mean for me personally.

      If the Netherlands agreed to take in about 100000 on a population of about 17000000
      Per citizen that is 0.000588 refugee.
      I live in a village with about 4000 people, that means 0.000588 * 4000 = 2.35 refugees living in the village.

      To put into perspective in 1975 alone about 40000 Surinamers migrated to the Netherlands.

      (If I were German and it would be about 30000 on a population of 80000000.
      Which would make 1.5 refugee living in the same village as me.)

      Not such a big deal as the media makes it out to be if you ask me.

      source:

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      • #93
        Heres a quote from one of yours FJV he aint so keen to take them .

        Dutch far-right leader Geert Wilders called the wave of refugees pushing into Europe an "Islamic invasion," during a parliamentary debate on Thursday that exposed deep divisions over how the Netherlands should respond to the crisis.
        European Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker on Wednesday appealed to EU members to share out refugees arriving on the bloc's fringes. Several EU countries oppose the idea of mandatory quotas, as supported by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, and the conservative Dutch government says it is only willing to take in more if all EU states agree.
        At the start of the debate, Wilders called the wave of refugees passing through Hungary and other countries "an Islamic invasion of Europe, of the Netherlands."
        "Masses of young men in their twenties with beards singing Allahu Akbar across Europe. It's an invasion that threatens our prosperity, our security, our culture and identity," he said.
        Tens of thousands of people, many fleeing war and Islamic State in Syria, are trying to get to Germany where Merkel has said they will be allowed to stay. Wilders said the fact that they were pushing northwards through the EU from the Mediterranean indicated many were economic migrants, not refugees.
        "Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, Serbia are safe countries. If you flee them then you are doing it for benefits and a house," said Wilders, whose Party for Freedom leads Dutch opinion polls.
        Roughly 54 percent of Dutch voters are opposed to accepting more than roughly 2,000 refugees previously agreed, a poll from last week showed. Under the latest proposals that figure is seen rising to more than 9,000.
        Prime Minister Mark Rutte's government said on Friday it was willing in principle to accept a larger share of asylum seekers, but only as a "temporary solution."
        In the long term, the Dutch want better shelters for refugees near conflict zones and will donate 110 million euros ($123 million) this year to improve capacity in and near Syria.
        Jesse Klaver of the opposition GreenLeft said: "We should agree with the request of the European Commission unconditionally and without differentiating between the short and long term."
        Rutte's fragile coalition government nearly split in April over asylum policy. The government plans to toughen its stance by cutting off food and shelter after a few weeks for those whose claims for refugee status are turned down.
        It was not clear whether lawmakers would vote on the issue after their debate.
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        • #94
          Shrug.

          Politicians grandstanding with their non-issues.

          The really large immigration numbers (and resulting social problems) are in the migrant workers legal and illegal.
          But because they seem to save the rich people paycheck money it will never be discussed.

          I've seen figures that 40% of greenhouse farmers used foreign illegals for labour.
          Technically they should all be punished by the law, however you will wait a long time before you see that.

          The same reason why in the US Mexican immigration will not be stopped.
          Too many people withg influence are making money off them.

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          • #95
            So, the Saudi king wants to help his Syrian brothern in need with 200 mosques trough Germany? Now that's a plan. Marshall plan.
            No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

            To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by FJV View Post
              I've seen figures that 40% of greenhouse farmers used foreign illegals for labour.
              Over here they don't use illegals, given that you can hire from places (in the EU) where the average income is 20 times lower completely legally. In particular smaller farmers try to pay them cash-in-hand though, which then makes it illegal. Minimum wage law is generally ignored since you can just pay them the minimum and then take back half for housing them. Typical resulting wage if working legally is somewhere on the order of 3 to 4 Euro per hour in case anyone wonders.

              Larger farms, as opposed to that, usually contract labourers from farming support companies where everything is completely legal. These companies then bring in a few hundred or a few thousand cheap Ukrainians, Moldavians or Belarussians for a few weeks to months just for the harvest. Refugees in Germany - at least under current laws - have a ban on temp agency work, which makes it impossible to work for these companies.

              Originally posted by Doktor View Post
              So, the Saudi king wants to help his Syrian brothern in need with 200 mosques trough Germany? Now that's a plan. Marshall plan.
              It's just the Wahhabist counter to the Ahmadiyya 100-mosque-plan. Given DITIB's 1000 mosques in Germany neither is really competitive.

              Originally posted by FJV View Post
              (If I were German and it would be about 30000 on a population of 80000000.
              Which would make 1.5 refugee living in the same village as me.)
              That's just the verdeelsleutel on those 120,000 meant to be redistributed directly from Italy, Greece and Hungary though.

              Within the province i live in in Germany it's currently about 0.015 refugees per citizen, which would make it about 60 in your village, or 2300 in my city (which we actually exceed at currently 3700 since we house one of a number of central refugee camps). Of course when one considers that in the city I live in there are around 28,000 foreigners and - including these - some 45,000 first- and second-generation immigrants the number becomes even more relative...
              Last edited by kato; 12 Sep 15,, 10:10.

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              • #97
                Kato, too bad you don't see the irony there.
                No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                • #98
                  One prayer house for every 1000 catholics.
                  One prayer house for every 1100 protestants.
                  One prayer house for every 1200 muslims.

                  And that's after those 300 are built.

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                  • #99
                    Nope,you can't see the irony.Too bad.They're mocking you.
                    Those who know don't speak
                    He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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                    • Originally posted by kato View Post
                      One prayer house for every 1000 catholics.
                      One prayer house for every 1100 protestants.
                      One prayer house for every 1200 muslims.

                      And that's after those 300 are built.
                      That's coming from a country with 0 churches and 0 refuges. Better?
                      No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                      To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                      • From what I read online, a civil war is in the making, and it will be sooner than we even think. Hopefully EU and it's citizens are geared up for a rough time ahead. Good luck to you guys :)

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                        • Kato ,,any comments on this ?

                          https://youtu.be/PnE3cFEehxg

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                          • Originally posted by commander View Post
                            From what I read online, a civil war is in the making, and it will be sooner than we even think. Hopefully EU and it's citizens are geared up for a rough time ahead. Good luck to you guys :)
                            Its an invasion , an islamisation of europe , none of these
                            "refugees" have gone to a muslim country like Saudi ,,,,,,. rough time ahead indeed .

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                            • Originally posted by tankie View Post
                              Kato ,,any comments on this ?

                              https://youtu.be/PnE3cFEehxg
                              Ludwigshafen is about 20 km from me. The homeless settlement in Flurstraße is considered a blight by the city* that they want to have removed for decades already, and that only a few years ago they got around to removing. The city wants to tear them down because the houses are crumbling and are no longer considered safe to live in. None of the people living there owns or rents the apartments they live in; these aren't poor people, these are people who'd otherwise live on the street (and who, to prevent crime, are interned at city-owned temporary housing; there are no rental contract, and the city can just put you back on the street). Three households from the quarter are moving to actual rented apartments, the remainder will be moved to two other homeless settlements owned by the city. It's mostly the three households that from now on have to pay rent that are raising a stink, assisted by the neonazis that live in the suburb next door.

                              * By others in our area, Ludwigshafen as a whole is considered a blight on the entire region, and most people pity the refugees slated to be housed there. Seriously.

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                              • Thanks for that ,,theres always 2 sides .

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