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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostYou need to reread the map of egress into Pakistan from Afghanistan. Most of the egress come through the Khyber pass at Peshawar and Khojak Pass near Quetta. Those passes serve naturally as chokepoints. Sure Soviets can overwhelm those passes but it would not be done in days but weeks and that gives sufficient time for IA to overcome and breach those canals especially when most of Pakistan's focus will be divert to meet the oncoming threat of Soviet forces. Besides those canals were not built till the 80s. So Indian forces would reach Karachi and Gwadar before any Soviet forces can arrive.Chimo
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostDo you think Pakistan would give two cents about muslims in Xinjiang?
The only reason why they like China is because they hate India. It does not mean they love China one single bit. The TTP tells you just how much the tribal belt likes China - zilch.Chimo
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostSame outcome. The Chinese will still need to intervene to safeguard Tibet. Do recall that China attack Vietnam when Vietnam was till occupied with Cambodia.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostI didn't think they gave two shits about Afghan Muslims but that didn't stop them from annoying the Soviets half to hell.
The only reason why they like China is because they hate India. It does not mean they love China one single bit. The TTP tells you just how much the tribal belt likes China - zilch.
And TTP is not running Pakistan. They do not have the numbers or necessary mass or strength to overtake Pakistan. Besides if they do take over Pakistan, they are never going to agree to peace with India. So my assertions still stand.
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostAnd TTP is not running Pakistan. They do not have the numbers or necessary mass or strength to overtake Pakistan. Besides if they do take over Pakistan, they are never going to agree to peace with India. So my assertions still stand.Chimo
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Yes it does. You are ignoring the point about these scenarios. It is wargaming to figure out our options. We are identifying the decision points all along these scenarios ... and you will notice that we always assume the worst case scenario. It may very well be the Pakistani Army is capable of repelling the Soviets (not likely but possible). It is also very likely that Dehli can convince China that whatever the Soviets do, there absolutely no threat to Tibet and some token actions (cave in the invasion routes to Tibet). It may also be that we can see you, China, the Pakistanis, and the Soviets can't handle this whole mess and thus, no 45 divsions are moving east.
Antimony asked about a scenario. I gave it to him. Does it mean it would have come true? Of course not ... because it did not. Moscow did not invade Pakistan.
It was a worst case scenario planning and that was the strategic thinkers' job.Chimo
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostNo shit Sherlock. Who has the bigger trade with China? India or Pakistan?
So, no shit Sherlock Holmes it would be a cold day in hell before Pakistan makes peace with India. China making peace with India is far more realistic prospect than the idea of Pakistan making peace with India.
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostSo, no shit Sherlock Holmes it would be a cold day in hell before Pakistan makes peace with India. China making peace with India is far more realistic prospect than the idea of Pakistan making peace with India.
China's Mongol/Turkic conquerors were never hell bent to establish Islam in China (mainly because they were not Muslims at the time).
The Pakistanis want to re-conquer India, no doubt but that does not mean they love what the Chinese represent. They just hate India more than they hate the CCP infidels.Chimo
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostI really think you're missing my point. Pakistan and China are natural enemies. They are fundamentally ideologically opposed. The Chinese in all their history has never been religiously dominated. Even the Taiping Rebellion, as much as the idiot founder/father/leader thought otherwise, it was never to answer God's demand to create God's kingdom in China.
China's Mongol/Turkic conquerors were never hell bent to establish Islam in China (mainly because they were not Muslims at the time).
The Pakistanis want to re-conquer India, no doubt but that does not mean they love what the Chinese represent. They just hate India more than they hate the CCP infidels.
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostAnd you are totally missing my point too. I totally understand that Pakistan and China are natural enemies but guess what? they are allies because of one common enemy, India. You even admit that Pakistan hates India more than it hates China. However for your assertion to stand that once Pakistan makes peace with India, Pakistan will go to war with China, well in order for that to happen, Pakistan has to give up its hatred of India and that requires a total abandonment of the Islamic nationalism idealogy, the very foundation of its hatred and raison d'entre against India. That foundation also serves as the foundation of why Pakistan and China are natural enemies. If Pakistan gives up this foundation in order to have peace with India, it means that it no longer has a foundation which would make Pakistan and China natural enemies.
However, I have to ask. India's Muslims are having no problems in India. Why that peace cannot be extended to Pakistan? Purely an intellectual exercise.Chimo
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