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Originally posted by Parihaka View Post
I'm looking at the comments and people are saying RIP, damn it we're not getting another then : (Last edited by Double Edge; 29 Dec 19,, 03:11.
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostThis is the reason the Ukranians elected a comedian. They're the only ones who talk straight these days : D
I'm looking at the comments and people are saying RIP, damn it we're not getting another then : (
Unfortunately no, John Clarke passed away, reportedly from having too good a time of it. "It's a bloody circus Bryan"In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
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Originally posted by Parihaka View PostAs per the above testimony, the assumption by both ambassadors that aid was tied to specific investigations was never told to them by any other person on earth let alone anyone in the Trump administration, but was reasonable on their part given the Obama administrations constant tying of aid via Joe Biden with various quid pro quo.In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
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So now you say that Sondland, who apparently gave $1m to the Trumpkin inauguration to get appointed, was somehow influenced by Biden? Are you sure? Where is your proof?
Sondland was told by either Trumpkin or Guiliani that it was a deal or what was Guiliani, the Orange fools fool, doing in Ukraine? Apparently he says we had 1000 troops looking for him in Kyiv - it's BS; the SBU knew which hotel and which room he stayed in but basically let him talk to who whoever he wanted - we are stupid like that.
And yes I am small but I am not "synaptically challenged" nor your "friend".Last edited by snapper; 29 Dec 19,, 05:18.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostSondland was told by either Trumpkin or Guiliani that it was a deal
Originally posted by Parihaka View PostWell, no.
One of the things I find most delightful about your persona is the willingness to repeat the same lie repeatedly even when shown to be false.
Turner: “So, you really have no testimony that ties President Trump to a scheme to withhold aid from Ukraine in exchange for these investigations?”
Sondland: “Other than my own presumption.”Originally posted by snapper View Postnor your "friend".In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
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Originally posted by astralis View PostGVChamp,
eh, there's the mob...and then there's the howling mob.
given the way House seats are apportioned, there's an enormous incentive for Pelosi to run as legalistic and moderate a process as possible, even knowing that impeachment by definition is going to be a political act. she needs to protect her new moderates whom just won the House for her.
the House GOP simply has no similar pressure to moderate because -their- base is the likeliest reason for any of their members to get kicked out.
re: the Senate, it was designed as a more elitist political grouping but the last thirty years have essentially just made them like the House. look at the statements by McConnell and Graham, does that strike you as quote unquote elder statesmen and lions of the Senate behavior?"The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck
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Originally posted by GVChamp View PostNot saying that you are wrong, just saying that the constitutional House rules are a pretty low-bar because the House is a pretty low institution. Pelosi obviously did not want to go this route, but she has been pressured into it, and she now has enough ammunition to make this politically viable. It's not really unreasonable to demand the House set-up different standards for this kind of procedure, though, particularly since the House is structured as such to allow this process to just become a partisan attack for an unlimited period of time. Basically, people are free and reasonable to demand higher standards. The GOP is obviously going to be hypocritical (due process for me, none for thee!) but that doesn't make them wrong.
The media shorthand and early celebrations came out to be more embarrassing as Ms Pelosi has lost her alacrity which she showed for the first half.
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Originally posted by Parihaka View PostAlready dealt with
Originally posted by Parihaka View PostI know dear, it's called condescension ( 2: voluntary descent from one's rank or dignity in relations with an inferior ) for your future reference, and the reason for it is bolded above.Last edited by snapper; 29 Dec 19,, 17:21.
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Originally posted by snapper View PostWell no you haven't as you are now saying that Sondland, Taylor, Guliania (and his now indicted pals) were "influenced" by Biden to get a sham investigation into his son and himself started in Ukraine.
Those are your wacko conspiracy theories, not mine. You've spent the last months claiming them, now both ambassadors have directly contradicted you. Under oath.
Sondland was quite specific: Presumption
Originally posted by Sondland View Post“Other than my own presumption.”
Originally posted by snapper View PostORANGE MAN BAD, PARAHAKA BAD blah blah blah
Last edited by Parihaka; 29 Dec 19,, 22:38.In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
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Originally posted by Parihaka View PostWell no. Volker and Sondland argue that, IN THEIR TESTIMONY
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And yet, with the height of irony, you say nothing at all about the other Executive Branch witnesses that were subpoenaed to appear before Congress...and were blocked by Donald Trump.
To say nothing of the Executive Branch documents subpoenaed by Congress...and were blocked by Donald Trump.
Yes, truly amusing that you cackle and crow, rolling on the floor laughing about the witnesses that did defy Trump's obstruction of Congress....but don't seem bothered in the slightest about people like Mulvaney, Pompeo, Bolton, Giuliani and all the others not appearing, taking an oath to tell the truth, and clearing Trump's name.
And then there's the complete lack of a complete transcript of Trump's "perfect" phone call.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by ambidex View PostImpeachment is non-seriously non-serious. This is the extract of the last 10 pages after 23 pages of confirmation bias.
The media shorthand and early celebrations came out to be more embarrassing as Ms Pelosi has lost her alacrity which she showed for the first half.
“Everything I do during this I'm coordinating with the White House counsel,” he said. “There will be no difference between the president's position and our position as to how to handle this, to the extent that we can.” ~ Senate Leader Mitch McConnell
“I am trying to give a pretty clear signal I have made up my mind. I’m not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here...I don't need witnesses" ~ Senator Lindsay Graham.
This could possibly be at odds with the Constitutionally required Oath that all Senators will take before the trial of Donald Trump where they vow, according to Rule XXV of the Senate Rules in Impeachment Trials: ”I solemnly swear (or affirm) that in all things appertaining to the trial of Donald Trump, now pending, I will do impartial justice according to the Constitution and laws, so help me God.”
But, yeah, it's just a loss of "alacrity". Sure.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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A president has been set.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/1...schumer-057950
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Et2PM_wkVb4Last edited by surfgun; 30 Dec 19,, 00:20.
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