The US 2020 Presidential Election & Attempts To Overturn It

[astralis]

DE,

California...purple...ahahahahahhahaha...

the people you listen to are on something very, very strong.

[Double Edge]

Person who said that comes from CA

Did anyone expect PA to go for Trump in the last election ?

Why then are you precluding any surprises this time around.

[Double Edge]

DE,

“Wall St. & Corporate media are are in bed with the Democrats.”

Whoa.
That's really breaking news.
After decades of solidly backing whichever GOPer stood for whatever office, Wall St. & Corporate media are suddenly – when did this happen? – in bed with Democrats.

All I can conclude is either (a) The Trumpet is so bad that even his most reliable supporters are jumping ship; (b) you haven't been paying attention to American politics for a very long time; or (c) all of the above.

C it is.

If I don't play to your narrative it means i don't know anything.

hah, i'm countering it. Something i don't see enough of in this American section.

Too opposition heavy.

Wall st. likes profits. So does corporate media. China gives them those profits. Don't offend China. Let's add Hollywood to that list as well shall we.

Dems will give them those profits and go soft on China. This is the rhetoric i hear.

The commercial interests drive the conversation as they have the money.

Well, the political and security sides have become much more prominent these days in many countries.

There are still people who think it will all blow away. Things will be back to how they were.

I don't think so. if this pandemic claims more lives and cannot be managed.

Now, as for that “the polls do not reflect the mood on the street ” nonsense … which poll told you that? Was it the 48% approve one?
Sorry, you don't get to pick one poll and say it's disproves all the others.

A general impression by observers on the street. Not people sitting in fancy offices in Manhattan typing out crap.

And no, polls can't tell you this. No poll can. Why would you even question this given what happened last time around.

The expectation is Trump wins at the booth. The traditional ones you held for 200 years where people show up and vote.

The x factor is the mail in ones. We will have NYC primary redux for 46 states.

Who knows when that will end.

But if there is still no result by Jan 20, Speaker Pelosi becomes the acting president.

“Yeah yeah i'm going on who i follow and what they tell me.”
Is that the inside scoop from Donald Duck, or Mickey Mouse?

Pro Tip: Check source.

Those that endorse Trump.

They give me brief summaries of what's going on there with relevant links. Here is one example.

He was a banker. He does daily chats with people i follow. The twitter page is what he speaks about for the day.

Killer line. Would you want $1.7 tr in tax cuts or $4 tr in additional taxes.

90% of US enterprise is private. Pretty clear what they prefer.

Whether Main St. agrees is the question.

On to China!

The status quo is untenable.
Says who? And, on what basis?

Deficit. But you refuse to acknowledge it.

Currency manipulation by China is indeed a long-standing grievance, but only among protectionists. The Real Effective Exchange Rate – that's the one that matters – fell by a massive 3.9% from peak to trough … this year. Amid the worst economic climate in living history. As demand for exports collapsed.

3.9%. Not the 10.9% of 2009, but just Three point Nine percent.

Yeah, that's manipulation alright. Manipulating it to keep it from falling further.
See: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RBCNBIS

Are the democrats protectionist ?

Ten years ago the people complaining about it were the opposition, ie Republicans.

So its a biparisan issue now.

Holding China accountable for COVID-19? Point to any single example of any country in the world being held “accountable” – whatever that means in international law – for any disease, ever in human history.

Start with finding out what went wrong this time around so it does not repeat again. Those inspectors have yet to visit Wuhan i hear.

The next bit is simple. Democracies stop doing business with China.

There is no more rise and their future is fixed.

People are not going to forget who was responsible for their losses. Personal and financial.

[Double Edge]

This is the October surprise. Will it go through. If it doesn't who gets the blame.


McConnell sets Wednesday vote for $500B COVID relief bill | FOX | Oct 18 2020

[Double Edge]

This will not pass unnoticed



The other day i posted about an Indian news channel that got a tweet moderated because they interviewed Li meng Yan.

Apparently the flunkies they outsourced the fact checking to in CA disagreed. Does not mean they can silence her like this.

That is what it amounts to.

Now this goes further. Locked the NYPost's account !!

[DOR]

Gee, where would such an idea that Dems and press where one and the same!?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/abc-si...dentified-dems

Exactly.
No where remotely reliable.

[surfgun]

Exactly.
No where remotely reliable.

So you are denying their ties to the Democrat Party!? That is very impossible to deny.

[astralis]

DE,

Person who said that comes from CA

yes, the person who has lived in both Northern and Southern California for several decades is telling you that California isn't purple.

and also the person who can easily point out at data from 2008, 2012, 2016, 2018 and show you that California has only gone more blue the whole time.

Did anyone expect PA to go for Trump in the last election ?

yes, Hillary Clinton. she and Tim Kaine literally spent the most time in that state, with ~30 visits in 20 days.

[TopHatter]

How about you surfgun ? Is QAnon in your pantheon of "anti-lefties"?

In regards to the Hunter Biden laptop, in addition to the unscrupulous business and corruption implications, is that Special Agent Joshua Wilson is reportedly working on this case. An FBI Agent that is named Joshua Wilson is a specialist in child pornography.
https://www.businessinsider.com/new-...source-2020-10

Well I guess we answered that question!

[TopHatter]

Trump campaign adviser signals president will tone it down at upcoming debate

Trump campaign senior adviser Jason Miller signaled Sunday that President Donald Trump will take a less combative tack toward Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden during their televised debate this week.

“When you talk about style and you talk about approach, I do think that President Trump is going to give Joe Biden a little bit more room to explain himself on some of these issues,” Miller said in an interview on “Fox News Sunday.”

Miller specifically mentioned dubious allegations against the Biden family detailed in recent New York Post reports and Biden’s refusal to articulate a firm position on expanding the Supreme Court as topics on which Trump would seek to pin down his opponent.
“I do think the president’s going to want to hear Joe Biden’s answer on some of these, and we’ll definitely give him all the time that Joe Biden wants to talk about packing the court,” Miller said. “And I think he’s going to get it on Thursday.”

Reince Priebus, Trump’s first White House chief of staff, also said Sunday that the president “is going to be pivoting” in the final days of the campaign to focus more on the economy, and suggested Trump would cede more time to Biden at this week’s debate.

“I think this upcoming debate is going to be really important, that the president is … likable, fun, have a good time,” Priebus told CBS’s “Face the Nation” in an interview. “Let Joe Biden speak, and let Joe Biden defend the Obama economy.”

In their first debate late last month, Trump repeatedly bulldozed through Biden’s responses and moderator Chris Wallace’s questions, even after being reminded of the rules governing speaking time that were agreed upon beforehand by both campaigns.

The president’s aggressive performance prompted the Commission on Presidential Debates to announce potential format changes to the remaining forums to “maintain order” and ensure “additional structure.”

According to a POLITICO/Morning Consult poll conducted the day after the first debate, 86 percent of all voters who tuned in said the candidates were “interruptive” — but not in equal measure. The vast majority of respondents said Trump butted in more than Biden, 71 percent to 18 percent.

The third and likely final debate between Biden and Trump will take place Thursday in Nashville, Tenn., and will be moderated by Kristen Welker of NBC News.

The candidates’ second debate, which was scheduled for last Thursday, was canceled after the debate commission announced the forum would be conducted virtually in the aftermath of Trump contracting the coronavirus.

Trump objected to participating remotely, and after a back-and-forth between his and Biden’s campaigns, the candidates ended up taking part in dueling town hall events broadcast on separate networks.
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Place your bets ladies and gentlemen, place your bets....

[TopHatter]

Videos show conservative activists cheering on voter suppression: 'We need to stop those ballots from going out'

When conservatives gathered behind closed doors for conferences of the right-wing Council for National Policy, their talks had a common theme: Voter suppression.

Conservatives met for three days in February and another three in August, maskless regardless of Virginia state policies, to discuss election strategies and other goals, The Washington Post reports. One August speaker was Charlie Kirk, the founder of the college conservative group Turning Point USA. At one point, Kirk pinned college campus shutdowns on Democrats, and then called those purported decisions a "very foolish thing" because it's going to lose them opportunities to "harvest" left-leaning college students' votes, video of the event obtained by the Post reveals. "Please, keep the campuses closed, it's a great thing," he said.

Tom Fitton, president of the conservative group Judicial Watch, was more explicit. He alleged Democrats were "war-gaming" a plan to make House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) president, and used that as a call for conservative action against mail-in ballots. "We need to stop those ballots from going out, and I want the lawyers here to tell us what to do," Fitton said in video obtained by the Post. J. Christian Adams, a former Justice Department official, meanwhile told attendees to oppose mail-in voting and "be not afraid of the accusations that you're a voter suppressor, you're a racist and so forth."
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Sheesh! It's a good thing that Trump followers don't own companies that print ballots! That could be really....oh, wait:

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Cleveland company Midwest Direct called out by New York Times after delays in printing of absentee ballots, questions of bias
CLEVELAND — The New York Times has released a scathing report on Cleveland-based company Midwest Direct after they were tasked with creating and sending out thousands of absentee ballots to voters in Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Midwest Direct, which operates out of Cleveland's west side, was tasked earlier this year with handling thousands of ballots, which they say was unprecedented.

“It is fair to say today that no one – not the various boards of elections, not Ohio’s Secretary of State, not our company – anticipated the staggering volume of mail-in ballot requests that has actually occurred,” the company said in a statement.

Reid J. Epstein, who wrote the article for The Times, dove into the issues in terms of the ballot delays, but also brought up a brand-new issue involving potential bias from Midwest Direct.

According to one photo taken by a photographer for The Times as well as multiple reports, Midwest Direct's headquarters in Cleveland had prominently been flying a "Trump 2020" flag outside of their building.

"Midwest Direct is owned by two brothers, Richard Gebbie, the chief executive, and James Gebbie, the chairman. This summer they began flying a Trump 2020 flag above Midwest Direct’s headquarters on the west side of Cleveland," Epstein wrote, "It was a curious juxtaposition — a company in the business of distributing absentee ballots through the mail showing a preference for a president who has spent months denigrating the practice of voting by mail."

The Times did point out that there are no known reports or allegations of mishandling of the ballots that Midwest Direct has printed at this time.

This news comes just days after several prominent Ohio Democrats called on Secretary of State Frank LaRose to intervene and investigate the company's issues in printing and sending the absentee ballots that they had been contracted for. 3News sister station WTOL earlier this week reported that the Lucas County Board of Elections had found that more than 10% of the county's requested 62,000 absentee ballots had yet to be mailed.

"I am calling for an investigation into what happened at Midwest," Lucas County Commissioner Pete Gerken told WTOL. "Lucas is not the only county this has happened to...We deserve to know what happened. The company has not put much into writing for us. The only way we knew the ballots went out is because our bank account was charged (for the postage)," he said.

[surfgun]

Well I guess we answered that question!

Now what kind of simpleton would come to such a conclusion?
It was stated that an FBI Special Agent that specializes in child porn cases May be involved!?
There could possibly be another Agent Joshua Wilson employed employed at the FBI.
Maybe you should keep your conspiracy theories of other posters in your cranial vault?

[TopHatter]

Now what kind of simpleton would come to such a conclusion?

It doesn't take a genius to figure out your motivations for posting shit. In case it's escaped your notice, you follow the Batshit Trump Follower script To The Letter.

It was stated that an FBI Special Agent that specializes in child porn cases May be involved!?
There could possibly be another Agent Joshua Wilson employed employed at the FBI.

Riiiight. And if there'd been an agent named Joshua Wilson that specialized in...literally anything else, would you have made it a point to mention it? No, no you wouldn't have.

Maybe you should keep your conspiracy theories of other posters in your cranial vault?

Prove me wrong. Go ahead. Tell us exactly what you think about QAnon. I'm sure it'll go something like this:

I know nothing about QAnon. I know very little. You told me, but what you tell me, doesn’t necessarily make it fact. I hate to say that. I know nothing about it. I do know they are very much against pedophilia. They fight it very hard. But I know nothing about it. If you’d like me to study the subject. I’ll tell you what I do know about. I know about Antifa, and I know about the radical left, and I know how violent they are and how vicious they are. And I know how they are burning down cities run by Democrats, not run by Republicans.

You know, assuming you bother to answer. Because just like Trump, you're brilliant at ducking uncomfortable questions like that. Hell, you can't even offer an opinion on Trump's assertion that he's above all law and can't even investigated, much less prosecuted for murder. All you've done is feebly dismiss it as "Democratic or media talking points" or some such shit. Which means you know that it's completely indefensible and reprehensible of Trump to argue that all the up to the Supreme Court, but can't bring yourself to say something negative about your cult leader. Or...you agree with Trump. Which is even more indefensible and reprehensible. Not to mention despicable.

[surfgun]

Please post the doctrine or mission statement of the Q organization and perhaps I would generate an opinion? Where is their HQ? Who established it? Do they collect dues? Have a secret handshake or newsletter?
All I hear is whispers from the left and media that they are some kind of an extremist group that were some how involved with a pizza shop on Dupont Circle.

[TopHatter]

Please post the doctrine or mission statement of the Q organization and perhaps I would generate an opinion? Where is their HQ? Who established it? Do they collect dues? Have a secret handshake or newsletter?
All I hear is whispers from the left and media that they are some kind of an extremist group that were some how involved with a pizza shop on Dupont Circle.

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Called it.

Well done there Surfgun, exactly according to the script.

I'm positive that your cult leader would be proud of you.