Ex-FBI Director Mueller appointed DOJ Special Counsel

[zraver]

Podesta was not a Trump campaign official. But if the line of inquiry from Manafort crimes leads to evidence of Podesta crimes, then he's fair game.

Its not if. Hillary's campaign chair was hiding serious and provable Russian connections.

https://nypost.com/2017/07/05/uncove...ampaign-chief/

[Ironduke]

Its not if. Hillary's campaign chair was hiding serious and provable Russian connections.

https://nypost.com/2017/07/05/uncove...ampaign-chief/

I'm no fan of these people either, but I'll stick with 'if'. At this point it's largely a matter of speculation.

[zraver]

I'm no fan of these people either, but I'll stick with 'if'. At this point it's largely a matter of speculation.

its not speculation, cyber security companies examined the wikileaks emails, they had not been altered. The ties to Russia revealed in the Podesta emails are forensically sound.

[Ironduke]

its not speculation, cyber security companies examined the wikileaks emails, they had not been altered. The ties to Russia revealed in the Podesta emails are forensically sound.

It said 'if' the line of inquiry leads to Podesta crimes. At this point, he hasn't been charged with any, and whether he committed any or not is a matter of speculation. So I'll stick with 'if'.

[zraver]

It said 'if' the line of inquiry leads to Podesta crimes. At this point, he hasn't been charged with any, and whether he committed any or not is a matter of speculation. So I'll stick with 'if'.

So you'll speculate on Trump who hasn't been charged with any crimes and for whom no evidence of criminal wrong doing exists, but Clinton's right hand with incontrovertible evidence is off limits until he is charged... got it.

[Ironduke]

So you'll speculate on Trump who hasn't been charged with any crimes and for whom no evidence of criminal wrong doing exists, but Clinton's right hand with incontrovertible evidence is off limits until he is charged... got it.

Sure, by my observation of Trump's public actions and the things he's said I've speculated he attempted to obstruct justice.

You've spoken of "ties" and "connections" thus far, feel free to share this incontrovertible evidence.

I'm aware Tony Podesta is under investigation by Mueller and has closed his lobbying firm, but I haven't seen anything yet about John Podesta having anything to do with it.

[zraver]

Sure, by my observation of Trump's public actions and the things he's said I've speculated he attempted to obstruct justice.

You've spoken of "ties" and "connections" thus far, feel free to share this incontrovertible evidence.

I'm aware Tony Podesta is under investigation by Mueller and has closed his lobbying firm, but I haven't seen anything yet about John Podesta having anything to do with it.

Google the podesta emails, I literally cannot post the link here its against forum rules.

[snapper]

Ya, still looking for actual facts to support all you claims, not inuendo, what ifs or conspiracy theories.

'Hypocritical' is what the Trump lot do when they accuse the Clinton campaign of paying Muscovites for info on Trump for the 'Steele dossier' when the dossier itself started off being payed for by Republicans. Hope you get a dictionary next year for Christmas but even then I doubt you would use it.

[Ironduke]

Google the podesta emails, I literally cannot post the link here its against forum rules.

Which one? They're in the public domain and their content has been published in a variety of media outlets.

This is only the guidance that was posted regarding Wikileaks-sourced material, and it only applied to sensitive/classified information:

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/sho...ight=wikileaks

[zraver]

Which one? They're in the public domain and their content has been published in a variety of media outlets.

This is only the guidance that was posted regarding Wikileaks-sourced material, and it only applied to sensitive/classified information:

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/sho...ight=wikileaks

DO NOT POST WIKILEAKS, I can only post links that talk about them, not the cables themselves. I've already posted discussions about them, you blew them off.

[Ironduke]

DO NOT POST WIKILEAKS, I can only post links that talk about them, not the cables themselves. I've already posted discussions about them, you blew them off.

The opinion piece in the New York Post by the Clinton Cash author, Peter Schweizer.

I've already expressed my views about Russian money and investments, and even expressed my caution about coming to conclusions about it with regards to Trump. I don't see any smoking guns.

I don't think anybody can earnestly argue that the billions of dollars pouring into New York, London, and other cities across the globe from Russia is of clean, licit origin, but as long as everything is done legally as to the how and from the time the money enters the US, there isn't much US authorities who actually cared could do, except be suspicious. At the end of the day, for all anybody cares, it's just foreign direct investment.

[zraver]

On a related note, Fox is reporting that Cody Hiland the new US Attorney for the Eastern District of Arkansas is looking into the Clinton Foundation. The FBI wanted to issue subpeonas in 2016 but was quashed by the Obama DoJ. If the DoJ is now on board, Hiland looking into the CF is bad news for the Clintons. This is blood fued stuff. Hiland was the DA here where I live for years. The political opportunity of begin the man who sank the jailed the Clintons is going to make sure he never lets this go. I wont say I know him, I've met him and know people who have argued against him in court. One thing he is never wrong about is political opportunity.

[DOR]

Peter Schweizer, who worked for George W Bush, Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal and Breitbart
Wrote Clinton Cash, which was
Published by HarperCollins which is
Owned by NewsCorp which is
Headed by Rupert Murdoch
Who owns Fox News.

Probably just a coincidence, but

Peter Schweizer, who heads up Government Accountability Institute, which is
Funded by Ted Cruz pal Robert Mercer and had daughter Rebekah Mercer on the board is
Backed by Koch brothers dark money allies such as Donors Trust, and
Repeats the debunked uranium claims fake press release, which is
Nothing new, since Schweizer has a long history of poor accuracy, misrepresentation and otherwise making stuff up.

Such as claiming Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse used information from a Senate committee to sell stocks that were about to tank due to government action, but … Whitehouse wasn’t on the committee. And, his financial adviser made an independent decision to sell. Because Whitehouse didn’t want accusations of impropriety. Oh, and Lehman Brothers was collapsing and everyone was selling everything. Oops.

Or, that Obama skipped more than half of his daily briefings. Except, by that measure, Reagan skipped 99%, because he – like Obama – preferred a different style of information management. Oops.

Or, that 80% of DoE backed loans went to Obama’s financial backers. Except, most of them also donated to GOPers. And, one-third didn’t get the loan guarantees. Oops.

I wonder why FactCheck.org keeps giving Schweizer Pinocchios ?

[snapper]

most of the right may not give a dam about Manfort and aren't focused on him at all.

This is where I where I fall out with today's GOP. I don't know what "the right" means here; to some it seems to mean the President is above the law - in which case Nixon and Hitler were within their rights to commit the crimes they participated in. To some it just seems that Trump is always right. I fundamentally disagree with both: Nobody, not even a King, can be above the law or freedom of property and every other liberty ends. Nor is any single person always right. We have all made mistakes and failed before - I mean Trump has seven corporate bankruptcies to his name so he is hardly some business genius. I am not "the right" but a Conservative. I get things wrong - hell I voted for PiS in Poland but regret it now. But failure and understanding our mistakes is a strength; we learn and grow. Today these Trump apologists - and Trump himself "I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!" try to say he is beyond the law and a genius. He is not. How a genius goes broke with a casino I have no idea. How a 'stable genius' manages to misunderstand so much and lie about so much - give so many versions of a story (for example the Comey firing) is not making sense to me. How other idiots still apologise for this Idiot in Chief, entrapped by the Muscovites years ago, is making you look either stupid or worse. This guy has to go. He is mentally and emotionally incapable of performing the duties of a head of State as well as being in debt to Muscovy.

Is it "right" to leak to the press? It may be illegal; Mark Felt ("Deepthroat" from the Watergate business) was deputy FBI boss so certainly his leaking was illegal but there was more criminality within the Nixon Administration: Those who first break the law cannot complain when when they are answered in their on their own terms. Certainly Felt's actions were not done to bring down the rule of law but to expose that others were seeking to do so. If sometimes you must break rules to uphold the greater system of law is it wrong? Not in my view. Mark Felt broke the law to uphold the US Constitution, he deserves respect not condemnation.

Now you have a similar situation. It is clear that Comey was "pressured" by Trump (having asked everyone else to leave the room) to drop the Flynn investigation (that Sally Yates had warned him about - getting her fired) and when Comey refused to swear loyalty to Trump he followed Yates. It is clear your President and his advisors have lied repeatedly about their contacts with Moscow during the election. It is clear that your President has lied repeatedly about his business dealings with Moscow. It is clear he and his associates want the Muscovite investigation closed and have accomplices in Congress - who have sent the Department of Justice a request to investigate of all people Christoper Steele - who did hand over his findings to the FBI without having been asked because he thought they should know.

You have been attacked. You are at war whether you like it or not. We have the same here and understand - and I do not trust Poroshenko farther than could I throw him, which is not a foot as he is too fat and I am too small. The world cannot afford to lose the rule of law in the US. All during the dark days of the Soviet oppression people here used to listen to BBC and Voice of America and dream one day they could enjoy the same liberty as the "West", now in large part we do - except in the revanchest Muscovite state that attacked your democracy; there are Muscovites even today who pray for a strong American President to denounce Putin and his Mafia kleptocracy. Every person today is today a front line in this information and disinformation war. We all know that truth is single and pure and in our heart of hearts know what is right. Yesterday I lit a candle in the Orthodox Greek church in the mountains of Ukraine for America. God go with you because it is him as well as your children you will answer for actions or inaction's in the days that come this year.

[DOR]

This is where I where I fall out with today's GOP. I don't know what "the right" means here; to some such as zraver it seems to mean the President is above the law - in which case Nixon and Hitler were within their rights to commit the crimes they participated in. To bfng it just seems that Trump is always right. I fundamentally disagree with both: Nobody, not even a King, can be above the law or freedom of property and every other liberty ends. Nor is any single person always right. We have all made mistakes and failed before - I mean Trump has seven corporate bankruptcies to his name so he is hardly some business genius. I am not "the right" but a Conservative. I get things wrong - hell I voted for PiS in Poland but regret it now. But failure and understanding our mistakes is a strength; we learn and grow. Today these Trump apologists - and Trump himself "I think that would qualify as not smart, but genius....and a very stable genius at that!" try to say he is beyond the law and a genius. He is not. How a genius goes broke with a casino I have no idea. How a 'stable genius' manages to misunderstand so much and lie about so much - give so many versions of a story (for example the Comey firing) is not making sense to me. How other idiots still apologise for this Idiot in Chief, entrapped by the Muscovites years ago, is making you look either stupid or worse. This guy has to go. He is mentally and emotionally incapable of performing the duties of a head of State as well as being in debt to Muscovy.

Is it "right" to leak to the press? It may be illegal; Mark Felt ("Deepthroat" from the Watergate business) was deputy FBI boss so certainly his leaking was illegal but there was more criminality within the Nixon Administration: Those who first break the law cannot complain when when they are answered in their on their own terms. Certainly Felt's actions were not done to bring down the rule of law but to expose that others were seeking to do so. If sometimes you must break rules to uphold the greater system of law is it wrong? Not in my view. Mark Felt broke the law to uphold the US Constitution, he deserves respect not condemnation.

Now you have a similar situation. It is clear that Comey was "pressured" by Trump (having asked everyone else to leave the room) to drop the Flynn investigation (that Sally Yates had warned him about - getting her fired) and when Comey refused to swear loyalty to Trump he followed Yates. It is clear your President and his advisors have lied repeatedly about their contacts with Moscow during the election. It is clear that your President has lied repeatedly about his business dealings with Moscow. It is clear he and his associates want the Muscovite investigation closed and have accomplices in Congress - who have sent the Department of Justice a request to investigate of all people Christoper Steele - who did hand over his findings to the FBI without having been asked because he thought they should know.

You have been attacked. You are at war whether you like it or not. We have the same here and understand - and I do not trust Poroshenko farther than could I throw him, which is not a foot as he is too fat and I am too small. The world cannot afford to lose the rule of law in the US. All during the dark days of the Soviet oppression people here used to listen to BBC and Voice of America and dream one day they could enjoy the same liberty as the "West", now in large part we do - except in the revanchest Muscovite state that attacked your democracy; there are Muscovites even today who pray for a strong American President to denounce Putin and his Mafia kleptocracy. Every person today is today a front line in this information and disinformation war. We all know that truth is single and pure and in our heart of hearts know what is right. Yesterday I lit a candle in the Orthodox Greek church in the mountains of Ukraine for America. God go with you because it is him as well as your children you will answer for actions or inaction's in the days that come this year.

Well said.
Brava.