The war between Trump and the CIA

[TopHatter]

What exactly is wrong with thinking that a nation's first duty is to its citizens?

Except that's not what you're worried about. It's "Western Cultural Replacement", remember? Which of course is just a dog whistle for "White Replacement Theory"

But were you really asking me to justify or rationalize your nativism for you? Wow....

Your only ding on Biden so far is that he did not go hard left enough for your tastes in screwing over property owners with a rent moratorium. You are perfectly comfortable with J6C goign way past J6 and being used for partisan political ends and as a personal cudgel by Cheney to go after private citizens with no connection to J6 but wo is running a super pac to unseat her.

Yes I know that you keep a scoreboard of For and Against and, in your delusional world, I clearly have not been hard enough on "the Left", and that puts me in "Bernie bro" territory.

Terribly sorry but I don't dance to the tune called by anyone, especially not by someone like you.

You routinely lump anyone you think supported Trump into deplorable status who could not have voted for him for rational reasons.

Which rational reasons were those Jason? His blatant nativism perhaps?

And I thought you didn't vote for him. Or support him.

I don't care what you might have been in 08, now you might as well be a Bernie bro.

In other words, your assertion that I was pro-Obama is like just about everything else you spew out, a load of horseshit.

[zraver]

No it is not a dog whistle to think immigration should focus on improving the nation. Immigrants from societies with a functioning civil society: Japan, India, Chile France etc should be prioritized over those from countries with little or no civil society: Somalia, Pakistan, Russia etc.

White has shit all to do with it. Our nation is many hued and I have zero problem with that.

[TopHatter]

No it is not a dog whistle to think immigration should focus on improving the nation. Immigrants from societies with a functioning civil society: Japan, India, Chile France etc should be prioritized over those from countries with little or no civil society: Somalia, Pakistan, Russia etc.

Dude. I already told you. I'm not going to justify or rationalize nativism for you.

White has shit all to do with it. Our nation is many hued and I have zero problem with that.

Oh, right, I forgot, it's *wink*"Western Culture"*wink*, got it.

Why don't you quit digging yourself deeper in that hole and get back on topic.

[Albany Rifles]

No it is not a dog whistle to think immigration should focus on improving the nation. Immigrants from societies with a functioning civil society: Japan, India, Chile France etc should be prioritized over those from countries with little or no civil society: Somalia, Pakistan, Russia etc.

White has shit all to do with it. Our nation is many hued and I have zero problem with that.

My physician is a Pakistani immigrant.

Our IT Branch manager was born in the USSR and emigrated from Russia in 1994.

The Program Manager on a sister system within our command portfolio is an Army Lieutenant Colonel who emigrated from Somalia by way of a refugee camp in the mid 90s.

[TopHatter]

My physician is a Pakistani immigrant.

Our IT Branch manager was born in the USSR and emigrated from Russia in 1994.

The Program Manager on a sister system within our command portfolio is an Army Lieutenant Colonel who emigrated from Somalia by way of a refugee camp in the mid 90s.

Let's say the quiet part out loud for Jason: Those are all the "shithole countries" filled with filthy people that don't belong here.

[tbm3fan]

No it is not a dog whistle to think immigration should focus on improving the nation. Immigrants from societies with a functioning civil society: Japan, India, Chile France etc should be prioritized over those from countries with little or no civil society: Somalia, Pakistan, Russia etc.

White has shit all to do with it. Our nation is many hued and I have zero problem with that.

Ah, a selective bigot

[TopHatter]

Ah, a selective bigot

The sad part is, he probably doesn't even realize how blatantly he's confessing his bigotry. Or even comprehending that what he's saying is bigotry in the first place.

I mean, "What's wrong with nativism" is kind of a gigantic red flag to be waving around....

[zraver]

My physician is a Pakistani immigrant.

Our IT Branch manager was born in the USSR and emigrated from Russia in 1994.

The Program Manager on a sister system within our command portfolio is an Army Lieutenant Colonel who emigrated from Somalia by way of a refugee camp in the mid 90s.

And?

Do you think Russia has had a functioning civil society since 2000?

Do you think Pakistan does today or has since Bhutto got herself blown up?

Refugees are legally different than immigrants. That being said those Somali refugee communities became the single biggest source of ISIS recruits from America. We did a really shitty job of assimilating them. How many Iraqi and Syrian civilians died because we forgot how to/ did not care to assimilate people coming from a country where the idea of a civil society was foreign?

Despite your examples, of the people we let in, is America more or less likely to benefit from your average Russian or your average Indian? Like I've said before, Sikhs are an important part of the trucking industry. Our present supply chain woes would be much worse without them. How many stores, businesses, motels have you visited where Indian immigrants have become successful entrepreneurs? Tens of millions of people want to move here. We legally let in more than anyone else in the world. I think those selected for the chance to become Americans should have something to offer our society as a whole.

Then there is the whole southern border issue. You know where report after report details sexual assault, slavery, murder, death due to exposure..... For what? So rich people and business owners can have cheap labor? Who exactly besides people wanting cheap labor is benefitting? Not the immigrants. The same cartels running people run drugs. Last year 100,000 of our fellow citizens died to OD deaths so it's not the citizens. The human cost of an open border is horrendous.

TH, government's first job is to it's citizens. By, for, and of the people. Our government has lost that focus. I don't know what you do/did with your spare time so I can't pass judgment. But I served my country, then spent years doing disaster relief work and search and rescue serving my community. I never once then and still do not care about skin color. If someone needs help I help. I live, work and play in a multi-ethnic world where I call every man brother and every woman ma'am.

You really should be ashamed of yourself.

[TopHatter]

You really should be ashamed of yourself.

An avowed nativist.
A (selective) bigot.
A closeted anti-Semite.
A little-less-closeted-these-days Trump admirer and apologist.

Telling me that I should be ashamed of myself. For not being a like-minded nativist and bigot.

I'm just gonna file that one away with:

"You're a statist"

"You're an extreme Leftist"

"You supported Obama"

"You might as well be a Bernie bro"


Keep digging that hole Jason. It's pretty much too late to stop now, might as well head for rock bottom.

[TopHatter]

Meanwhile, back on topic....

Lawyer charged by Durham seeks dismissal of indictment

WASHINGTON (AP) — A lawyer for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign who was charged by special counsel John Durham with lying to the FBI during a 2016 meeting asked a judge on Thursday to dismiss the indictment, calling it a case of “extraordinary prosecutorial overreach.”

Lawyers for Michael Sussmann said that if the indictment were allowed to proceed, it would “risk criminalizing ordinary conduct, raise First Amendment concerns, dissuade honest citizens from coming forward with tips, and chill the advocacy of lawyers who interact with the government.”

Durham was tasked in 2019 by then-Attorney General William Barr with investigating potential government misconduct during the early days of the investigation into potential coordination between Donald Trump's 2016 presidential campaign and Russia. He was given the title of special counsel in 2020, in the final weeks of the Trump administration, to ensure that he could continue his work once Joe Biden became president.

Sussmann is accused of lying to the FBI's then-general counsel during a September 2016 meeting in which he relayed concerns from cybersecurity researchers about potentially suspicious internet data involving a Russia-based bank and the Trump Organization. Prosecutors say Sussmann misled the FBI by saying during the meeting that he was not acting on behalf of a particular client when he was actually representing the interests of the Clinton campaign and a technology executive who had furnished Sussmann with the data and analysis.

The FBI investigated and ruled out within months the possibility of a secret digital backchannel between servers of the Trump Organization and of Russia-based Alfa Bank — a claim that, if true, could have signaled contact between the Trump orbit and Russia at a time when the FBI was already trying to determine if there was such a connection. The indictment does not charge Sussmann with giving the FBI false information about that matter, but rather about what his lawyers dismissively described as an “ancillary” issue — who his legal clients were at the time of the meeting.

Sussmann's lawyers say he did not lie, but even if he misled the FBI, there is no evidence that the false statement he's alleged to have made is material to the case or affected the bureau decision to investigate any potential connection between Trump and Alfa Bank. They say allowing the indictment to stand would mean that people could be prosecuted for giving an accurate tip to law enforcement if they weren't upfront about their motivation for doing so.

“So, a jilted ex-wife would think twice about reporting her ex-husband’s extensive gun-smuggling operation lest the FBI later decide to prosecute her for failing to disclose her motivation for turning him in,” the motion states. “If would-be tipsters or sources fear that an incomplete disclosure will subject them to criminal liability, the FBI would be seriously weakened in its ability to gather information from the public, and recruit and maintain confidential human sources.”

The motion to dismiss comes just days after a filing by Durham that created an uproar and was mischaracterized in some media reports — and by Trump himself — as having suggested that the former president had been illegally spied on by the Clinton campaign, even though that was not what the document said.

The motion said the company of the tech executive with whom Sussmann had worked, Rodney Joffe, had helped maintain servers for the White House and said he and cybersecurity researchers he was working with had mined internet traffic for the “purpose of gathering derogatory information” about Trump.

A spokesman for Joffe said he was an “apolitical internet security expert” who had never worked for a political party and was operating under a contract to identify potential cyber breaches or threats against the federal government.

During the course of work, according to the spokesman, the researchers identified what they thought were concerning anomalies related to Russian-made phones “in proximity” to the Trump campaign and the White House and prepared a report of their findings that was subsequently shared with the CIA.

The White House data that was analyzed was from the time that Barack Obama, not Trump, was president.

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Anyone want to give odds on dismissal?

[Parihaka]

If you are going to be fair, I think you would admit that few if any active posters here fall to the far left, let alone the extreme left.

If I had to guess I would say the majority of active posters are probably democrats if American or on the center to center left. A few are center right.

I will admit though there is general hostility to the right wing populist movement represented by Trumpism in the US.

To be fair, there are extremist hate campaigns against conservatives on this forum every day, and I see virtually none of you opposing this.

[TopHatter]

To be fair, there are extremist hate campaigns against conservatives on this forum every day, and I see virtually none of you opposing this.

LMAO Persecution complex much?

[DOR]

To be fair, there are extremist hate campaigns against conservatives on this forum every day, and I see virtually none of you opposing this.

It isn't an "extremist hate campaign" to point out that the GOP has lost its way, followed a hypocritical shyster off the rails, and nearly ended democracy in America.
It's just the facts of history, nothing more.

[TopHatter]

It isn't an "extremist hate campaign" to point out that the GOP has lost its way, followed a hypocritical shyster off the rails, and nearly ended democracy in America.
It's just the facts of history, nothing more.

That needs to be carved into a granite block 10 feet high...

...but of course pointing all that out automatically makes you an Extreme Leftist.

[tbm3fan]

To be fair, there are extremist hate campaigns against conservatives on this forum every day, and I see virtually none of you opposing this.

Bwahaha

Can I use this for an opening monologue?