2017 American Political Scene

[TopHatter]

It is not my wish, it is what the Right wing talking heads are predicting

Jeanine Pirro says there will be an ‘uprising’ if any Trump family members are indicted

Jeanine Pirro is a typical right wingnut talking idiot. There won't be an "uprising".

Maybe a group of these inbred genetic skidmarks will take over another nature center. But that'll be the extent of it.

They've been predicting uprisings and race wars and civil wars and FEMA internment camps and all the rest of that wish fulfillment batshit crazy tripe for years.

[antimony]

Jeanine Pirro is a typical right wingnut talking idiot. There won't be an "uprising".

Maybe a group of these inbred genetic skidmarks will take over another nature center. But that'll be the extent of it.

They've been predicting uprisings and race wars and civil wars and FEMA internment camps and all the rest of that wish fulfillment batshit crazy tripe for years.

Maybe Piro, but what about Krauthammer? Here, I found the video

CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER: That is why I worry we are headed into dangerous and choppy Constitutional waters. We know what the Democrats want to do; get control of the House and on day one start impeachment.

I happen to think; as you know I opposed the Trump candidacy. I don't think he is very well fit for the presidency. But fitness is not a reason for impeachment, and removal. High crimes are. Here we have a prosecutor looking for high crimes. With Watergate you started with a crime and tried to find out how it happened. Here they are looking for a crime... as of yet I haven't heard of one. Collusion is unseemly but it isn't a crime.

So you've got a political establishment, mostly Democratic, but there are some Republicans, who would like to see him taken out of office. That would be a catastrophic mistake. It would cause a rupture in the country, where people would say: 'When we people, the ones who have been 'abandoned' elect somebody we like, our guy gets taken out. What happened, I thought we had a stable democracy?'

Again, I think he is unfit, but that is the grounds for removal.

TUCKER CARLSON: That would tell people we have a fake democracy -- it is not real.

KRAUTHAMMER: If you think a man is unfit, you vote against him, you don't remove him from office. And that is where I am afraid we are headed... There will be another election, there always is. I think this appearance he did in West Virginia tonight is a way of saying: My numbers may be down, but I command a formidable army.

Look man, I go to a bunch of these YouTube gun channels (for guns and accessories related info). Some of them post a bunch of poiitical stuff, and they are raging and foaming at the mouth about all this "injustice" around Trump.

[TopHatter]

Maybe Piro, but what about Krauthammer? Here, I found the video

What about Krauthammer? I saw nothing about predicting an uprising or anything else. He points out that Trump is bragging about an "army" and a vague reference to a "rupture" in the event of Trump's impeachment, but that's it.

Look man, I go to a bunch of these YouTube gun channels (for guns and accessories related info). Some of them post a bunch of poiitical stuff, and they are raging and foaming at the mouth about all this "injustice" around Trump.

I know, I've seen them too. They're a bunch of raging and foaming at the mouth keyboard warriors. It's easy to be brave in front of a camera, wave a bunch of Bubba'd guns and rant about [Insert Violent Action Here]

The reality is, these assclowns are a mob of unorganized idiots. They have no structure. No discipline.
Their esprit de corps is about 2 inches deep. Give them 10 seconds and they'll start fighting amongst themselves, splintering into factions and then splintering again.

They can cause trouble. They can garner headlines. They can capture the nation's attention for a few days, or weeks at the very most. They can even kill people.

But an armed insurrection? Of any sizable importance? A civil war, even? Nah. A nature center is about the best they can manage.

[tbm3fan]

He is the choice of the electorate. Any havoc, discord or chaos, upto and including nuclear war, that he chooses to do, is therefore brought on by the wishes of the electorate. The electorate deserve whatever they have voted for.

Once again he is the choice of a minority of the electorate.

[tbm3fan]

He was as far as known, not part of the protest. BLM and antifa was there to fight, not to peacefully counter protest in a battle of voices. It was bad guy vs bad guy. Secondly, I don't remember you blaming the Left for the GOP Baseball Shooter, or Muslims in the various vehicle attacks across the world.



Then what were the clubs they were swinging saying? All those red flags have a very clear historical context.

Wow, tip toe tip toe. Tell me, since it looks like you are saying the white supremacists are not to blame at all, that it is all the fault of the counter protesters? The counter protesters picked Charlottesville and the white supremacists followed?

Just like counter protesters caused the trouble at UC Berkeley a few months ago and not the right wing speaker? Right now, today, Berkeley is nice and quiet. It always is which is why the speaker singled out Berkeley as his choice. He knew full well what would happen and was counting on it speech or no speech. However, there is also always a third group to show up who have no issues with hitting you over the head whether right of left. They just like to show up for the party and cause chaos.

If your friends had stayed away from Charlottesville all would be quiet yesterday but they knew exactly what they wanted to happen.

By the way all those historical red flags flying? Are you referring to the red Confederate flags and the red Swastika flags? You want to tell me why a Swastika is even seen in this country? Why my father has to see a flag he and his fellow soldiers fought against? Answer me that.

[astralis]

z,

He was as far as known, not part of the protest. BLM and antifa was there to fight, not to peacefully counter protest in a battle of voices. It was bad guy vs bad guy.

actually, he was in the protest as part of Vanguard America...





and considering none of the Nazis went to the hospital while 19 counter-protesters did, and one died, yeah...still false equivalence.

waiting for you to call this domestic terrorism and not engage in yet another round of whatabout-ism.

Secondly, I don't remember you blaming the Left for the GOP Baseball Shooter, or Muslims in the various vehicle attacks across the world.

and neither am i blaming the right, nor President Trump, for this.

[zraver]

Wow, tip toe tip toe. Tell me, since it looks like you are saying the white supremacists are not to blame at all, that it is all the fault of the counter protesters? The counter protesters picked Charlottesville and the white supremacists followed?

Just like counter protesters caused the trouble at UC Berkeley a few months ago and not the right wing speaker? Right now, today, Berkeley is nice and quiet. It always is which is why the speaker singled out Berkeley as his choice. He knew full well what would happen and was counting on it speech or no speech. However, there is also always a third group to show up who have no issues with hitting you over the head whether right of left. They just like to show up for the party and cause chaos.

If your friends had stayed away from Charlottesville all would be quiet yesterday but they knew exactly what they wanted to happen.

By the way all those historical red flags flying? Are you referring to the red Confederate flags and the red Swastika flags? You want to tell me why a Swastika is even seen in this country? Why my father has to see a flag he and his fellow soldiers fought against? Answer me that.

First off, fuck you, they are not my friends. You are a complete and utter tool. I don't affiliate with people who do not cherish American values.

This is America, land of free speech. We battle speech we don't like with other speech. If you pick up a club to stop someone's speech you are the bad guy no matter how repulsive their speech is. period full stop.

[zraver]

z,



actually, he was in the protest as part of Vanguard America...

I stand corrected

and considering none of the Nazis went to the hospital while 19 counter-protesters did, and one died, yeah...still false equivalence.

Yeah, sorry, not gonna shed a tear for terrorists killing terrorists. The Counter Protesters were not peaceful and came looking for a fight. You show up planning to be violent, don't be surprised when violence finds you. Fuck nazis and fuck antifa.

waiting for you to call this domestic terrorism and not engage in yet another round of whatabout-ism.

I am not the legal system, but I have zero problem calling both sides terrorists. They both showed up looking to be violent. Conspiracy requires one overt act to be prosecuted, them traveling there with masks, clubs, shields etc is evidence of violent intent. Everyone involved should go to jail.



[/quote] and neither am i blaming the right, nor President Trump, for this.[/QUOTE]

Glad you clarified because it looked like you were.

[astralis]

Yeah, sorry, not gonna shed a tear for terrorists killing terrorists. The Counter Protesters were not peaceful and came looking for a fight.

and this is the false equivalence here. not all the counter-protesters were anti-fa, least of all the 32-year old paralegal whom was killed.

[zraver]

and this is the false equivalence here. not all the counter-protesters were anti-fa, least of all the 32-year old paralegal whom was killed.

She was in a procession marching towards where violence was already occurring and espoused communist/socialist ideals and antifa is at the minimum gloaming on to her and calling her comrade. As far as I can tell, her death is no different than another criminal dying in the commission of a crime. Dude who ran her over should get the death penalty (if the feds press civil rights violations), but she is no martyr. Just not gonna feel bad for people engaged in or supporting political violence suffering the seeds of what they have sown.

Edit, drone footage shows her marching with an antifa mob.

http://katv.com/news/nation-world/ch...to-pedestrians

[snapper]

R.i.p

[Monash]

Doesn't seem to matter where you go, Europe, the U.S. even here you can see minority groups of far left extremists who are prepared to justify the use of force, often extreme force in order to silence the public expression of opinions from the opposing side of politics that they regard as 'fascist'. While at the same time of course demanding the unequivocal right to express their own views in public. IMO extremest groups on both sides political spectrum dam themselves by their own actions. I mean seriously you could almost have just swapped the the banners and chants across between the sides and who could tell the difference? I'd almost say they deserved each other except for the fact they f*** it up for the rest of us.

[TopHatter]

If your friends had stayed away from Charlottesville all would be quiet yesterday but they knew exactly what they wanted to happen.

Accusing another member of collusion with racism without proof is NOT Acceptable. I suggest you that apologize to Zraver unreservedly.

[Bigfella]

What about Krauthammer? I saw nothing about predicting an uprising or anything else. He points out that Trump is bragging about an "army" and a vague reference to a "rupture" in the event of Trump's impeachment, but that's it.


I know, I've seen them too. They're a bunch of raging and foaming at the mouth keyboard warriors. It's easy to be brave in front of a camera, wave a bunch of Bubba'd guns and rant about [Insert Violent Action Here]

The reality is, these assclowns are a mob of unorganized idiots. They have no structure. No discipline.
Their esprit de corps is about 2 inches deep. Give them 10 seconds and they'll start fighting amongst themselves, splintering into factions and then splintering again.

They can cause trouble. They can garner headlines. They can capture the nation's attention for a few days, or weeks at the very most. They can even kill people.

But an armed insurrection? Of any sizable importance? A civil war, even? Nah. A nature center is about the best they can manage.

Joe,

I agree that a civil war is more than this lot could manage on their best day. The 'white uprising' ain't gonna happen. What is more worrying is that some of these fruit loops aren't going to be happy abusing women and 'cucks' and putting extra brackets on particular ethnic minorities online in between jack off sessions. Some of them are going to act out in very unpleasant ways.

You mentioned the Bundy standoff earlier. That ended in suicide by cop, but the previous standoff at the ranch attracted a couple who murdered 3 people, 2 of them cops. People who identify with the sort of causes we currently see as the 'extreme right' have a long & full history of political violence, from the destruction of democracy & institution of segregation in the post-reconstruction South, through the 'second Klan' up to Oklahoma City, abortion clinic bombings, Dylann Roof & now the guy at Charlottesville.

That is the concern from my POV - that some of these 'entitled victims' decide that marching with guns isn't enough. That won't bring a civil war, but it could get a lot of people hurt.

[Bigfella]

This is an anti-Trump rant, is a well observed one. This point toward the end seems particularly telling to me. At a fundamental level its all about him.

The more convincing explanation for Trump’s moral failure is that he is, and always has been, completely disconnected from any understanding of the American political tradition. It is why, uniquely among chief executives, he almost never quotes a past president or political figure or thinker, nor references any part of the country’s past. For Trump, there is no past; only himself, rising as a self-creation out of the mist. He feels no need to speak against the poison of bigotry because he has no clue about how that poison has infected our past, and still infects our present.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...15481?lo=ap_c1

Remember all those people who used to scream about Obama's 'narcissism'. What ever happened to them I wonder.