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He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostLet me guess... You have never been in a foxhole..."Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
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Originally posted by Mihais View PostI'm not into preaching and I doubt I'll ever be.Nor am I somewhat required to be.And definetely I'm not going to preach to atheists on the internet.I'll only say this.You have your belief.Wrt religion in general(not going in particular,although there are faiths that are better than others,IMO) you take a rather common path among its critics.That is to judge everything by it lowest denominator.I believe you to be wrong(and I have no doubt you think I am),but it's not for me to judge you regrdless what I believe,nor it is to ever try to restrict your freedom."Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
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Hold on a bit.You're trying to mix with democracy.What is ''normal'' is the will of the majority.It varies a lot,by place &time,but that's another issue. I don't really care if muslims marry in diapers.In their countries,they can do as they please.If the Hindus decided to vote themselves a tax extempt,great for them.If the Christian definition on marriage excludes gays,polygamy etc...,than the state's law must find another way to name the respective unions.
By American standards the above may suck.Well,the world isn't America.There is diversity and specificity.Those evolved to protect a certain way of doing things,otherwise you'd get uniformity.Those who know don't speak
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Originally posted by Mihais View PostHold on a bit.You're trying to mix with democracy.What is ''normal'' is the will of the majority.It varies a lot,by place &time,but that's another issue. I don't really care if muslims marry in diapers.In their countries,they can do as they please.If the Hindus decided to vote themselves a tax extempt,great for them.If the Christian definition on marriage excludes gays,polygamy etc...,than the state's law must find another way to name the respective unions.
By American standards the above may suck.Well,the world isn't America.There is diversity and specificity.Those evolved to protect a certain way of doing things,otherwise you'd get uniformity.
What is normal is the separation of church and state regardless of demographic composition. The point is that in modern democratic societies religion should not play any role in politics or governance. The same is true for India. I don't care much for muslim countries either, as long as I can continue to ignore them."Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
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You can separate the Church from the state all you want.You can't stop people voting based on identity politics.Those who know don't speak
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Taking money from religious groups and pushing their agenda is not separating church from state"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostLet me guess... You have never been in a foxhole...
It also is a bit disrespectful to the memory of people like this
That said, I don't knock those that found something to believe in to get them through the day.Attached FilesLast edited by Gun Grape; 10 Feb 15,, 04:12.
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Originally posted by Gun Grape View PostI have. And like lots of others that also have, I don't believe in the big guy in the sky.
It also is a bit disrespectful to the memory of people like this
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That said, I don't knock those that found something to believe in to get them through the day.
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Originally posted by antimony View PostTaking money from religious groups and pushing their agenda is not separating church from stateThose who know don't speak
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Originally posted by Triple C View PostErnest Hemingway and John Rawls were atheists and spent a lot of time in foxholes.
That is belief in action and is more general than what denomination or not they believe in :)
Confers an evolutionary advantage. Or in the context of a battle could be all that stands between losing or turning the tide.
Belief, faith in something that is yet to happen whether it happens or not.
Irrational but necessary, in a foxhole.Last edited by Double Edge; 10 Feb 15,, 10:13.
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Originally posted by antimony View PostYeah, a solution that says that critical thought is not important to understand the universe and everything else. There is a big daddy up there, yo.
Originally posted by Double Edge View PostConfers an evolutionary advantage. Or in the context of a battle could be all that stands between losing or turning the tide..
However, I am not an expert."The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck
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Originally posted by Blademaster View PostI meant no disrespect but don't forget that those people whom Antimony criticize also need something to believe in to get by and Antimony would rather have them believe in his way which may not be enough for those guys."Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
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Originally posted by GVChamp View PostThe Scientific Method is less than 5 centuries old. Your problem isn't with religion, it's with the last 3 million years of human evolution.
But seriously, I don't care about your religion or what you believe in as long as you do not try to trample the rights of others."Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
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