Southern Border Developments

[Doktor]

Ah, I knew it was based on a true story, but involving the French and CDG airport explains a lot (to me).

A friend of mine going to Britain (with valid passport, and visas - Schengen and British) was returned home traveling half a Europe in one day because French were lazy enough to escort him from T1 to T2 ;) The German officer comment at Frankfurt airport was "Ah, Frenchmen". Whatever he meant was put nicely in one sentance.

[gunnut]

in September 2003, The New York Times noted that Steven Spielberg bought the rights to his life story as the basis for The Terminal.[6] The Guardian indicates that Spielberg's Dreamworks production company paid $250,000 to Nasseri for rights to his story

I have a tax related question. Who collects on his income taxes? Technincally, he doesn't have a country and cannot be charged income tax. He's not American and did not make that money within US borders, so the IRS is out. He's not French and technically he never entered France so the French shouldn't collect. Did Dreakworks just walk up to him and hand him a suit case full of money? He obviously did not have a bank account. Unless there's a branch in the terminal and he was able to set up something.

[Doktor]

As of 2008, he continues to live in a Paris shelter.

That would be France ;)

[Roosveltrepub]

Why not in favor of immigration so we don't need those guest workers?

why in the world would chinese come here we have a commie president hellbent on destroying capitalism by having taxes lower than in any but the last ten yrs and they have a commie premier who is the darling of the corportate world he is such a "free marketeer"

[Roosveltrepub]

I have a tax related question. Who collects on his income taxes? Technincally, he doesn't have a country and cannot be charged income tax. He's not American and did not make that money within US borders, so the IRS is out. He's not French and technically he never entered France so the French shouldn't collect. Did Dreakworks just walk up to him and hand him a suit case full of money? He obviously did not have a bank account. Unless there's a branch in the terminal and he was able to set up something.

it got cashed in some country....

[Dago]

Unless, some nice offshore banker opened an account for him, you know without the usual means of identification of ID/Birth Certificate. Then he would have a pretty large bank account, yet I can't understand how he is living in a shelter. Also since he isn't a French citizen, nor when he got paid, resided in France, they can't touch the money. That's pretty nice to have 250K without taxes.

[Tanker]

The Border Wars: Cartels closing in on American soil.

What you are about to read has been in the news and will continue to be in the news for a very long time. I have drawn up plans and sent them to the National Guard Bureau but have not heard anything. I am opening this to discussion as there are probably many people on this board world wide who have similar issues.

Cartel gunmen attacked the Mexican border towns of Miguel Alemán and Ciudad Mier on Thursday, torching buildings and disrupting a city that has been a haven for those fleeing cartel violence.

Gunmen from the Gulf Cartel and Los Zetas, the Gulf's one-time enforcement arm that has been fighting a bloody war with its former masters since early last year, clashed in Miguel Alemán and Mier early Thursday, the Mexican military said in a news release.

Towns like Camargo, across from Rio Grande City, and Guerrero Viejo, on the Mexican side of Falcon Lake where a U.S. citizen was shot and killed last year, are mostly ghost towns, said Noe Benavides, a Roma businessman and former city councilman.

The Chihuahua hills have served as a hiding spot for armed criminal groups that work for rival cartels Sinaloa and Juárez, both of which are continuing to fight for control of Ciudad Juárez, near the United States border.

Chihuahua is considered to be the most violent state in Mexico. The state also accounts for nearly 30 percent of the more than 40,000 assassinations that have taken place in Mexico over the last four and a half years.

Bloggers in the Mexican border town of Nuevo Laredo are being terrorized by the Los Zetas drug cartel, which is trying to silence citizens who speak out against drug-related violence. On the morning of September 24th, police found the headless and mutilated body of a woman with a note referencing an alleged pseudonym, “La Nena de Laredo” (“Laredo Girl”), which she had used to post on Nuevo Laredo en Vivo ("Nuevo Laredo Live"). The woman, who has been identified in some reports as Maria Macias and in others as Marisol Marcias Castaneda, was reportedly an administrative manager at the Prima Hoy newspaper, and also moderated a chat room on Nuevo Laredo en Vivo.

It is interesting to note that while Texas Republicans have no qualms with sending their National Guardsmen to the border to help the US BBorder and Customs Patrol it seems that texas Democrats have either been blinded by a flash bang or have received compensation to look the other way...

At least two U.S. congressmen from Texas on Friday disputed a recent report penned by two retired U.S. Army officers that states the area along the Texas-Mexico border has become a war zone because of the ongoing drug cartel violence.

U.S. Rep. Henry Cuellar, D- Laredo, and U.S. Rep. Sylvestre Reyes, D- El Paso, voiced concerns — at times heated — that the report, “Texas Border Security: A Strategic Military Assessment,” misconstrued what is actually happening in the Texas communities along the border with Mexico.

“I would be the last one to question your motives” behind the report, Reyes said, but “our southern border is not in chaos, it is not a war zone.”

The report was discussed at a hearing of the Homeland Security Oversight & Investigations Subcommittee in which the authors of the report, retired Brig. Gen. Barry McCaffrey and retired Army Maj. Gen. Robert Scales, appeared as witnesses.

The hearing was titled “A Call to Action: Narco-Terrorism’s Threat to the Southern U.S. Border.”

What I have done about our borders and the heat I have taken: A Discussion.

Several months ago I was watching an episode of Border Wars when they were discussing the mass amounts of weapons they have been getting crossing the border. This should be read as "Fast and Furious" before anyone knew what it was. The particular episode was dedicated to Border Patrolman Brian Terry after he was killed. His death is now linked to one of the guns the ATF was tracking that went to a cartel. Terry did not deserve this.

When F&F was announced people everywhere started talking about it. In another military forum one guy posted the news article. I posted Brian Terry's death and how the show Border Wars showed tons of guns and ammo confiscated during the week of his death. He told me there was no correlation. Now there is. Once it was released the guy in question put me in his ignore list.

Advance several months later. I got the idea while I was posting pictures and some other info on my website. I was with the 3ID in Germany and patrolled the East German/Czech border at one point. Along the border we had huts or shacks where the jeep and foot patrols could hole up during intense cold spells and snow storms.

One of the things that the US Border could benefit from is the presence of US troops. I recommended a series of barracks along the entire border one mile inland and seperated by 10 to 15 miles each. National Guard and Reserve units of all branches could effectively patrol and work side by side with Homeland Security and the Border & Customs Patrol. Light Fighter training would be continuous and military medics would get a lot of training helping illegals with their medical concerns and so on. Units would either provide their own generators for power or provide services to local towns in exchange for utilities.

After doing this I discussed it with friends and talked about it elsewhere on other forums but not as a plan I suggested, just as an idea that should be considered. I was called a racist because I wanted to cut the escape routes of illegal aliens fleeing their country by placing soldiers in their path. I was a racist because I didn't want illegals entering my country ILLEGALLY. I was a racist because I was making it hard for hard working illegal aliens to get a job.

The border needs to be secured.

[gunnut]

You're a racist because the illegal immigrants you speak of are not white. It would be perfectly legal to discriminate against white people. It would be perfectly legal to discriminate against Asians as far as academics is concerned. It is not OK to speak or even suggest anything remotely reasonable if the target is either black or brown.

[troung]

What you are about to read has been in the news and will continue to be in the news for a very long time. I have drawn up plans and sent them to the National Guard Bureau but have not heard anything. I am opening this to discussion as there are probably many people on this board world wide who have similar issues.

Neither party wants to stop it.

[Doktor]

Someone will bring the idea of digging canals, fill them with water and patrol alligators in them. tick, tock...

gunnut, let me remind you those gators ain't racist at all ;)

[JAD_333]

Tanker:

What would be the purpose of the "barracks" other than to provide a presence and assistance to illegals? The land border between US and Mexico is more than 1,600 miles long; that would call for more than a 1,000 "barracks". You didn't mention how many National Guard members would man each one, but at, say 20 each, that would be 20K troops, or roughly 12-14 times the number now deployed to assist Border Patrolmen. (With troops returning from Iraq, it might now be easier to meet such a requirement.)

Without getting into detailed tactics, how would these barracks interface with each other to interdict smugglers and run of the mill illegals? What would be the ROI? What combat equipment would they use?

This year+ old Homeland Security press release details steps to beef up security on the border. How would your approach integrate into the whole?


Switching gears, the US drug consumer is the one indirectly to blame for the carnage south of the border. Were he/she to stop snorting, shooting, smoking...the cartels' wares, there would be no point in all the killing. The question is, can drug consumers summon up a pang of conscience for their role in the mayhem? And if so, what resources would we need to make it happen? (Frankly I have never met a serious drug user who gave a crap about who gets hurt so long as he gets his blow or weed.)

[Tanker]

[QUOTE=JAD_333;851338]Tanker:

What would be the purpose of the "barracks" other than to provide a presence and assistance to illegals?

Hmmm...to "house" the National Guard and Reserve force of the US Military while training and or in support of the USCBP personnel.

The land border between US and Mexico is more than 1,600 miles long; that would call for more than a 1,000 "barracks".

Uhm, no it wouldn't. Between East Texas and Southern California there are MANY Border Patrol Stations the barracks (no need for parenthese) would augment these stations.

You didn't mention how many National Guard members would man each one, but at, say 20 each, that would be 20K troops, or roughly 12-14 times the number now deployed to assist Border Patrolmen. (With troops returning from Iraq, it might now be easier to meet such a requirement.)

I didn't discuss it because when I retired from the Army I had to sign a crap load of paperwork which revolved around my clearance and the confidentiality statement I signed. BUT, it would NOT be manned by active military forces due to Posse Comitadus. It would only be manned by Guard and or Reserve forces from ALL branches of the military. Using numbers given to the public, National Guard alone (Army & Air) number 512,000 roughly.

Without getting into detailed tactics, how would these barracks interface with each other to interdict smugglers and run of the mill illegals? What would be the ROI? What combat equipment would they use?

SOPs, TO&Es, and ROIs are already in place at several locations along the border where I believe 2 states have begun using Guradsmen.

This year+ old Homeland Security press release details steps to beef up security on the border. How would your approach integrate into the whole?

You would have to look at the DHS ROI for this as I believe it has a section for including the use of state militia forces (read as national guard).

Switching gears, the US drug consumer is the one indirectly to blame for the carnage south of the border. Were he/she to stop snorting, shooting, smoking...the cartels' wares, there would be no point in all the killing. The question is, can drug consumers summon up a pang of conscience for their role in the mayhem? And if so, what resources would we need to make it happen? (Frankly I have never met a serious drug user who gave a crap about who gets hurt so long as he gets his blow or weed.)

I don't use (illegal) drugs. Never have, never will. So I can't answer your question. As for resources I can't answer that question either. I have never used (illegal) drugs so I have never used any resources to get myself off of them.

Maybe we need to execute the smugglers like some countries...:whome:

[troung]

Homeland Security instructs Border Patrols to 'run away' and 'hide' from gunmen

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Border Patrol union blasts Homeland Security instructions to 'run away' and 'hide' from gunmen

By Perry Chiaramonte

Published June 29, 2012

A pocket card handed out to Homeland Security employees in April detailing how they should handle an "active shooter" situation.

Border Patrol agents in Arizona are blasting their bosses for telling them, along with all other Department of Homeland Security employees, to run and hide if they encounter an "active shooter."

It's one thing to tell civilian employees to cower under a desk if a gunman starts spraying fire in a confined area, say members of Tucson Local 2544/National Border Patrol Council, but to give armed law enforcement professionals the same advice is downright insulting. The instructions from DHS come in the form of pamphlets and a mandatory computer tutorial.

“We are now taught in an ‘Active Shooter’ course that if we encounter a shooter in a public place we are to ‘run away’ and ‘hide’" union leader Brandon Judd wrote on the website of 3,300-member union local. “If we are cornered by such a shooter we are to (only as a last resort) become ‘aggressive’ and ‘throw things’ at him or her. We are then advised to ‘call law enforcement’ and wait for their arrival (presumably, while more innocent victims are slaughtered)."

The FEMA-administered computer course, entitled “IS-907- Active Shooter: What You Can Do,” is a 45-minute tutorial that provides guidance to all employees on how to recognize indicators of possible workplace violence and what to do should their office be invaded by gunmen and focuses around three main options; either evacuate, hide out, or in dire circumstances, take action.

Main Points of the "Active Shooter" training course

Evacuate: If there is an accessible escape path, attempt to evacuate the premises.
Hide out: If evacuation is not possible, find a place to hide where the active shooter is less likely to find
you.
Take action: As a last resort, and only when your life is in imminent danger, attempt to disrupt and/or
incapacitate the active shooter.

Once the course is completed, employees are urged to download additional materials including a summary booklet and pocket-sized card outlining protocol, which was also handed out to employees two months ago.

One DHS employee told FoxNews.com the instruction cards were handed out to employees six weeks ago. At the time, he assumed they were only for civilian employees, not armed law enforcement officers within the department, which oversees the U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

"Requiring BP agents to follow the same steps is egregious,” he said.

DHS officials maintain that the Active Shooter course was designed for all employees—civilian and law-enforcement officers-- and no one should rush into a situation where they, or others around them, could get hurt.

“The Department of Homeland Security takes very seriously its responsibility to protect all of its employees from threats that may surface in the workplace,” U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Michael Friel said in a written statement to FoxNews.com

“CBP workforce training is designed to prepare all employees, including leaders, managers, supervisors, law enforcement personnel and non-law enforcement personnel, to understand their own roles and the roles of their fellow employees in responding to threats. In an active shooter scenario, employees are taught to take actions that keep them alive.”

But members of Local 2544 say they are obligated to protect the public in such a situation, whether they are on duty or not. Given the instructions, some wonder if they would be disciplined for taking down a gunman in a situation like the Fort Hood shooting or the January, 2011 case in Casa Adobes, in which a deranged gunmen shot 19 people, including Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords. Six people were killed.

“It is always comforting to know that for those of us who carry a weapon when we are off-duty, if we should encounter such a situation, stop a shooter and save countless lives, we can look forward to being disciplined or fired by the Border Patrol because we should have run away to hide and then maybe thrown objects at the deranged killer instead of taking action and stopping him with a firearm,” the union local's website says.

Read more: Border Patrol union blasts Homeland Security instructions to 'run away' and 'hide' from gunmen | Fox News

[JAD_333]

Guns running.

[Eck]

(Quote) Mexican President Says US Deportations Feed Violence in Mexico

I surely dont see Mexico with a boarder patrol that works directly with the US boarder patrol "DAILY"/ "HOURLY" where Mexico is trying to STOP thier people from crossing the boarder... What a thought.. Mexico boarder patrol using walkie talkies with the US boarder patrol every day... But Oh we cant have that now..hell we would have to finance it for them...............