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Originally posted by Trooth I am assuming from your comment you haven't watched it? Then why rebut it? - are you a member of the Vatican board of Film Censorship? :)
Read my post again, my problem is with the source not the video.
No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry
Originally posted by Confed999 Read my post again, my problem is with the source not the video.
The source is obviously biased - i don't believe a pro-war, neo-con or Republican website would have posted it. However the quotes are there, in glorious Technicolor. Bush's speech in it is hardly taken out of context, as would be a fair criticism of such a short video, it is shown at sufficient length to understand his message.
Sometimes even Pravda reported the truth you know!
Originally posted by Trooth They too were duped by the government or they had access to intelligence and were duped by it independantly.
They are the government. Since it appears the weapons aren't there, nearly every intel service was either lying or were fooled, the info didn't just come from the US. Until there is proof either way though, you have guess what is right. My point is, moveon doesn't care about any issue if it's about a Democrat, only about Republicans, so nothing that comes from them can be trusted to be in context anymore than info about a Democrat that comes from the Republican's website.
No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry
Originally posted by Trooth The source is obviously biased - i don't believe a pro-war, neo-con or Republican website would have posted it. However the quotes are there, in glorious Technicolor. Bush's speech in it is hardly taken out of context, as would be a fair criticism of such a short video, it is shown at sufficient length to understand his message.
Sometimes even Pravda reported the truth you know!
I never said he didn't say it? I have no idea what you're talking about I guess.:00
No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry
Originally posted by Confed999 They are the government.
Your quotes seemed to be from Democratic politicians? I am probably just ignorant of the finer points of the US govenermental structure, but would they have got CIA briefings before jumping on the bandwagon?
Originally posted by Trooth Your quotes seemed to be from Democratic politicians? I am probably just ignorant of the finer points of the US govenermental structure, but would they have got CIA briefings before jumping on the bandwagon?
These are from before Bush:
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That
is our bottom line." - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great
deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use
nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the
greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times
since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,
1998
"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.
Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of
mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by
Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he
has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy
Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton
Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry
BTW, that bandwagon started accepting passengers around 1988.
No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry
As i said, a lot of people where duped for a long time. It remains to be seen if it simply was arrogance on the part of the polticians or the intelligence chiefs, or both.
Or, as i said, perhaps they didn't care and they just took us all for muppets that needed something short to go on a T-shirt.
Originally posted by Trooth As i said, a lot of people where duped for a long time. It remains to be seen if it simply was arrogance on the part of the polticians or the intelligence chiefs, or both.
I assume it was a little bit of all three of those, but as I said before there is an awful lot of accusations and circumstantial evidence that make it look like a set up too.
No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry
My take has been that Saddam pretended he had WMD to protect a very weak Iraq from its neighbours, or perhaps the scientists duped Saddam to protect themselves for not being able or willing to continue with WMD.
Originally posted by Trooth When you say set up? Who set who up?
My take has been that Saddam pretended he had WMD to protect a very weak Iraq from its neighbours, or perhaps the scientists duped Saddam to protect themselves for not being able or willing to continue with WMD.
There have been threads showing implications here on this board, nothing more firm than a pudding though. I'm going to go with your take until proof shows otherwise. Here's one thread, there are more, plus plenty of other storys about illicit support for Iraq: Thread
No man is free until all men are free - John Hossack
I agree completely with this Administration’s goal of a regime change in Iraq-John Kerry
even if that enforcement is mostly at the hands of the United States, a right we retain even if the Security Council fails to act-John Kerry
He may even miscalculate and slide these weapons off to terrorist groups to invite them to be a surrogate to use them against the United States. It’s the miscalculation that poses the greatest threat-John Kerry
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