Nepal says Indian INSAS riffles let it down in rebel battle

[lemontree]

I dont think any para military other than BSF can do any damage to maoists. A joint BSF & army op would be better solution.

The BSF was raised to guard the borders. The SRP or armed constabularies were made to sort out the sh it within the state. Either they do the job or disband them. They are not made to be dignified watchmen for ministers bungalows.

[indianguy4u]

The BSF was raised to guard the borders. The SRP or armed constabularies were made to sort out the sh it within the state. Either they do the job or disband them. They are not made to be dignified watchmen for ministers bungalows.

Sir can u tell something about training given to BSF, other para forces like ITBP, CRPF & compare to army.

[lemontree]

Sir can u tell something about training given to BSF, other para forces like ITBP, CRPF & compare to army.

The BSF and ITBP trains like the army, their training is military oriented. While the CRPF/SRP differ in their training which is more of law and order oriented. The CRPF does not see any enemy but are trained to see a "criminal" and they arrest them, while the BSF/ITBP are trained to see "enemies" of the state.

[indianguy4u]

The BSF and ITBP trains like the army, their training is military oriented. While the CRPF/SRP differ in their training which is more of law and order oriented. The CRPF does not see any enemy but are trained to see a "criminal" and they arrest them, while the BSF/ITBP are trained to see "enemies" of the state.

What about Territorial Army, what is their role along with home guards?

[lemontree]

What about Territorial Army, what is their role along with home guards?

TA is army, the troops serve regularly for 7+ years. the officers are part time 6 months on duty and six months off duty, every year.
Why not use the people that are supossed to do the job? Leave the army alone to cater to real issues.

[zombie]

Agree with LT. Deploying IA for this ops will be a waste. Internal matters should be handled by SRPF and in case its too hard for them to handle, then it can be escalated to request help from CRPF and such. But deploying IA or BSF would be counter-productive. Moreover IA/BSF would be stretched badly. They are already involved in COIN ops in J&K and NE. As of now 12 states are affected by Naxalites. If we deployed IA/BSF in all those states then it would be a logistical nigthmare. Let them do what they are meant for - fight external enemies.

LT would like to know how effective NSG can be in such a scenario. If my memory serves me well, their current strength is around 7,500 and as of now they are not involved in any ops except guarding the corrupt politicians. So is it worthwhile to deploy them in such situations in small numbers since its an anti-terror unit. I gather they were involved in COIN ops in Punjab so can they be used for anti-naxalite ops ?

[lemontree]

LT would like to know how effective NSG can be in such a scenario. If my memory serves me well, their current strength is around 7,500 and as of now they are not involved in any ops except guarding the corrupt politicians. So is it worthwhile to deploy them in such situations in small numbers since its an anti-terror unit. I gather they were involved in COIN ops in Punjab so can they be used for anti-naxalite ops ?

The NSG is divided into 3 separate type of units.
- Special Action Group (SAG) - counter hijack team for planes/buses/trains.
- Special Operations Group (SOG) - counter terror ops.
- Special Protection Group (SPG) - VVIP security.

SAG and SOG have only military personnel, while SPG has a majority of cops. So when the govt says that they will use NSG in naxalite areas it means SOG.

[zombie]

LT, how wise it would be to use SOG in such ops and when do they need to be called upon ?

[lemontree]

LT, how wise it would be to use SOG in such ops and when do they need to be called upon ?

Its is all int based. The state and central agencies work with them to supply info, and these guys try and take out the core groups of naxal leadership. They do not do "jungle bashing" operations.

[indianguy4u]

Its is all int based. The state and central agencies work with them to supply info, and these guys try and take out the core groups of naxal leadership. They do not do "jungle bashing" operations.

Sir,
Does the present [military, para & police] stucture needs to be changed to something more professional & noncomplicated one.

[lemontree]

Sir,
Does the present [military, para & police] stucture needs to be changed to something more professional & noncomplicated one.

All systems and organisations evolve as per the need of the hour. Even the army goes through these changes, but for internal security it the police forces that must change. The sad part is that IPS is just not able to do the right thing, there is too much of political interference. Beisdes the majority of IPS officers are not made of the stuff that can go through an SSB selection process.

[Samudra]

They think NSG is some kind of a quick fix for everything!
They even brought NSG to catch Veerappan!

[lemontree]

Any organisation like the NSG is mission specific and are used for surgical operations based on actionable intelligence. You cannot expect these special units to "hunt" for a bandit, that is the job of police forces and their intelligence units.

http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl1920...1003703000.htm
As for the STF, its misery seemed to have been compounded when almost the entire contingent (numbering 150) of the elite National Security Guards (NSG) departed just days after it arrived in the first week of September to take part in the hunt for Veerappan. The commandos were sent in to assist the STFs of Karnataka and Tamil Nadu after the two State governments sought the Centre's help. They were not intended to be part of the combing and search operations, but to act as an assault team and storm the bandit's hideout once it was located. Around 30 commandos have, however, stayed back and the others may return if the situation warrants it. Two Indian Air Force Mi-17 helicopters, which were provided to assist the operations, have also left the operation area. According to informed sources, the NSG commandos were disappointed with the STF's level of intelligence on the brigand's whereabouts.

How do you expect the NSG to storm Veerappan's hideout, when the STF had failed to locate it, (but somehow journalist RR Gopal manages to meet the bandit and conducts an interview ;) ).

[indianguy4u]

The current IPS system is inadequate for 21century a thorough overhaul of paramilitary & police dept is needed. How can this be done?

[lemontree]

The current IPS system is inadequate for 21century a thorough overhaul of paramilitary & police dept is needed. How can this be done?

The first step should be to restrict political influence.