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Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised over this.
I cannot thinkof a single major program that has NOT been protested.
I cannot thinkof a single major program that has NOT been protested.
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“Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
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The author uses the Flight III DDG-51 and the LCS-1 variant of the LCS for his projections of actual cost increases vs the Navy’s estimated unit procurement cost for the FFG. At the rate China is building (see: https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutto.../#64f740e269ac ) we need some quantity building of our own to start.
Cost Estimates Questioned for New Navy Frigate
6/18/2020
By Jon Harper
The Navy is moving forward with a new guided missile frigate, but some observers question the service’s cost estimates for the program.
In late April, Fincantieri/Marinette Marine was awarded a $795 million fixed-price incentive contract for detail design and construction. The contract will provide for the delivery of up to 10 platforms, and will be worth $5.6 billion if all options are exercised.
“Another potential issue for Congress concerns the accuracy of the Navy’s estimated unit procurement cost for the FFG(X), particularly when compared to the known unit procurement costs of other recent U.S. surface combatants,” said Ronald O’Rourke, a naval affairs specialist at the Congressional Research Service.
The price tag of the lead ship will be about $1.3 billion, according to the Navy. It has requested $1.1 billion in fiscal year 2021 for the second vessel.
The Navy’s most recent budget submission estimates that the third and subsequent ships will cost roughly $940 million each in then-year dollars to procure, O’Rourke said in a recent CRS report titled, “Navy Frigate FFG(X) Program: Background and Issues for Congress.”
“Ships of the same general type and complexity that are built under similar production conditions tend to have similar costs per weight and consequently unit procurement costs that are more or less proportional to their displacements,” he noted.
Setting the estimated cost per thousand tons of displacement of the FFG(X) about equal to those of the LCS-1 variant of the littoral combat ship would raise the estimated unit procurement cost of the third and subsequent frigates to $1.1 billion, an increase of about 17 percent, he calculated.
Using the same formula to compare the FFG(X) to the Flight III DDG-51 destroyer would raise the estimated unit procurement cost of the third and subsequent frigates to approximately $1.5 billion, an increase of about 56 percent, according to O’Rourke.
Assistant Secretary of the Navy for Research, Development and Acquisition James “Hondo” Geurts said the service has taken a number of steps to control costs.
“I know there was some reporting on concern about … cost estimates, you know, were they too low?” he told reporters. “We’ve tried a different approach in frigate to taking more proven technology, both on the combat systems and with a parent [ship] design. And in doing that, you know, trying to bend the normal cost curve as compared to previous programs. … I’m comfortable that we’ve got that program positioned well.”Comment
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More reasons to build.
The Diplomat
The Chinese Navy’s Destroyer Fleet Will Double by 2025. Then What?
China is about to finish the current phase of destroyer construction. What comes next?
Link:
https://thediplomat.com/2020/07/the-...025-then-what/Comment
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Pentagon Notice Says The First Of The Navy's New Frigates Will Be Named USS Brooke
Really....really...weird way of releasing the name of a brand new class of warship.
I wonder if this is a red herring or just a fumble-fingered f00k-up.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”Comment
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This has already been reported to be an error. The person writing that notice looked up the name of the first FFG and didn’t check to see that Brooke had already come and gone. The first new one is apparently going to be FFG-80 and doesn’t have a name yet.
https://mobile.twitter.com/chinfo/st...94985115705344Comment
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Yeah figured as much. Hanlon's Razor in action lol.Originally posted by ChrisV71 View Post“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”Comment
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USS Agility, and other possibles were Endeavor and Dauntless.
I'm confused.
Are these not USS as in United States Ship because the names sound more like HMS Her Majesty's Ship.Comment
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Those were Acting SevNav whatever the hell his name was ideas. The moment he resigned, the Navy shit-canned them.Originally posted by tbm3fan View Post
The USN has occasionally had a few of those RN-style superlative names, albeit for smaller ships and auxiliaries:
USS Dauntless
USS Agile
USS Endeavor
USS Invincible“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”Comment
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Exactly, as we have no naming convention for those small auxillaries. So we have the USS Pigeon, a submarine rescue vessel, that was up in the Reserve Fleet. That is fine but not for warships as noted.Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
Of course, our naming convention for certain warships is somewhat questionable.Comment
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Well, I will hazard a guess and say that the new USS Constellation will be commissioned in Baltimore.
https://news.usni.org/2020/10/07/sec...-constellationComment
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Guess the USN really is back to the frigate game. About time.Comment
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The Cost of the Navy’s New Frigate Program
October 13, 2020
By CBO’s calculations, the Navy’s new frigate could cost 40 percent more than the service estimates. If the Navy’s estimate proves correct, however, the frigate would be its least expensive surface combatant in the past 50 years.
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/56669
Trust me?
I'm an economist!Comment
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You had a USS Canberra for a while and she was no lightweight! For that matter isn't one of the LCS's supposed to be named Canberra as well?Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.Comment
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Yes, her (the new Canberra) keel was laid in March.
https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news...-the-u-s-navy/Comment
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The 2nd of Constellation Class to be named Congress. Another originalist name.
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ress-no-reallyComment
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