Russian Navy Commander- Russia to have 5-6 Carrier Groups

[Silent Hunter]

Russia or the Soviet Union? If the latter, the late 1980s with the Admiral Kuznetsov.

[Garry]

When Russia builds a brand new Carrier that completes its trials and is sea worthy, will only then Russia have the capabilities to build such a navy.

When was the last time Russia built a carrier?

So when they do actually initiate the project and successfully launch a carrier, will it really matter.

Something like this statement made Truman/Eisenhower that USA will keep technological leadership and that Soviet's will not get any nuclear weapons till mid 1950-es and would have 10 time less bombs then US by 1960-es....

We know that Soviets got it in 1949 - only 4 years after they learned it is possible at all. By 1953 USSR tested hydrogen bomb.

So believe me, if Russian engineers get ENOUGH financing they can research, design, test and build nuclear aircraft carrier fairly quickly - 8-10 years.

For me the issue is - Russia does not really need one... and this is a whole different discussion

[ArmchairGeneral]

For me the issue is - Russia does not really need one... and this is a whole different discussion

It depends. For defense certainly not. Russia is a land power and has no sea lanes to protect. Submarines and long range land based aircraft are pretty much sufficient to keep bad guys away.

If you want power projection, however, carriers can be very helpful.

[nebula82]

That's a very ambitious plan. The Soviet military at its peak in the 70s and 80s didn't even operate this many carriers!

Do the Russians have the infrastructure in place to even achieve half the target?

Remember despite the regained strength the Russian military is still in a dire situation.

At least they now have the money, thanks to the booming Russian economy.

Nebula82.

[Silent Hunter]

That's a very ambitious plan. The Soviet military at its peak in the 70s and 80s didn't even operate this many carriers!

Indeed, it was only four and they were all VTOL "heavy aviation cruisers".

[Dreadnought]

Indeed, it was only four and they were all VTOL "heavy aviation cruisers".

And they didnt last long at all before the for sale signs went up on them.;)

[Sinister]

Not in my lifetime...

[Guest]

they should designate these as LST's Large Slow Targets.............

say can you still buy a MIG29 on ebay?????

[ozjohn39]

Garry,


"Something like this statement made Truman/Eisenhower that USA will keep technological leadership and that Soviet's will not get any nuclear weapons till mid 1950-es and would have 10 time less bombs then US by 1960-es.... "



This assesment was made without knowing just how extensive was the Russian spy network in the west. They know now just how many traitors they had in the West.



"We know that Soviets got it in 1949 - only 4 years after they learned it is possible at all.'


I think they knew that a lot about 'Manhattan' and its work and progress, well before 1945.



"By 1953 USSR tested hydrogen bomb."

Again with the stolen technology referred to above.



"So believe me, if Russian engineers get ENOUGH financing they can research, design, test and build nuclear aircraft carrier fairly quickly - 8-10 years."


An American CVN, and its escort screen, would probably cost in the vicinity of >US$12 billion at a guess. Annual running costs would be lord knows how much. Then they will have to develop about 4 new aircraft types to operate from them. The USN has 12 CVN Groups and at any one time about 3 or 4 are in transit to wherever or are in port for maintenance, crew rest, etc.
So maybe 8 or 9 are readily available on station to do their job. Also, there are at least 2 new build projects constantly at various stages to replace old ships etc as they reach the end of their service life. A Russian fleet of six CVN Groups would be lucky to have 4 on station at any one time.

The Russian Navy have had about 4 goes at producing an CVN 'comparable' to a USN ship, and have never come close. The rusting hulks get flogged off to the Chinese or India. The concept of a FULLY operational CVN Group is YEARS away.

The much feared Russian Navy is damned near non-operational, about half way or more through their normal life span, and the number of DDGs and above commissioned into the Russian Navy since 1990 can be counted on one hand.

Get back to me when they ONE complete CVN Group in commissioned service.


John.

[Silent Hunter]

Who says they're going for a CVN? The "Kievs" weren't- they were an interim design.

[Guest]

Garry,


"Something like this statement made Truman/Eisenhower that USA will keep technological leadership and that Soviet's will not get any nuclear weapons till mid 1950-es and would have 10 time less bombs then US by 1960-es.... "



This assesment was made without knowing just how extensive was the Russian spy network in the west. They know now just how many traitors they had in the West.



"We know that Soviets got it in 1949 - only 4 years after they learned it is possible at all.'


I think they knew that a lot about 'Manhattan' and its work and progress, well before 1945.



"By 1953 USSR tested hydrogen bomb."

Again with the stolen technology referred to above.



"So believe me, if Russian engineers get ENOUGH financing they can research, design, test and build nuclear aircraft carrier fairly quickly - 8-10 years."


An American CVN, and its escort screen, would probably cost in the vicinity of >US$12 billion at a guess. Annual running costs would be lord knows how much. Then they will have to develop about 4 new aircraft types to operate from them. The USN has 12 CVN Groups and at any one time about 3 or 4 are in transit to wherever or are in port for maintenance, crew rest, etc.
So maybe 8 or 9 are readily available on station to do their job. Also, there are at least 2 new build projects constantly at various stages to replace old ships etc as they reach the end of their service life. A Russian fleet of six CVN Groups would be lucky to have 4 on station at any one time.

The Russian Navy have had about 4 goes at producing an CVN 'comparable' to a USN ship, and have never come close. The rusting hulks get flogged off to the Chinese or India. The concept of a FULLY operational CVN Group is YEARS away.

The much feared Russian Navy is damned near non-operational, about half way or more through their normal life span, and the number of DDGs and above commissioned into the Russian Navy since 1990 can be counted on one hand.

Get back to me when they ONE complete CVN Group in commissioned service.


John.

what the world is concerned with here is Russia's poor safety record with nukes. its no secret the Artic sea today still glows from the naval/civilian disasters. they were also notorious for fires on subs. so how much have the gained in quality components and production??
as far as spies go Stalin had spies inside at the new mexico secret plant. and they set off their first nuke in 1950 shocking the west.

my concern is not this Navy but the ICBM's they have. will they turned them on us again or not???? it only takes about 15 mins to re aim a nuke.

[omon]

what the world is concerned with here is Russia's poor safety record with nukes. its no secret the Artic sea today still glows from the naval/civilian disasters. they were also notorious for fires on subs. so how much have the gained in quality components and production??
as far as spies go Stalin had spies inside at the new mexico secret plant. and they set off their first nuke in 1950 shocking the west.

my concern is not this Navy but the ICBM's they have. will they turned them on us again or not???? it only takes about 15 mins to re aim a nuke.

any evidence???? nukes as a nuclear weapons, not chernobil

yes they will, if the reason is right.

[Guest]

RIA Novosti report

This got a cursory mention in the Daily Mail (which got the name of the Admiral Kuznetsov wrong). The article also referenced something called "Arctic Wind submarines"? What would they be?

nice of em to let us know. or is that the standard Russian BS????

[Guest]

any evidence???? nukes as a nuclear weapons, not chernobil

yes they will, if the reason is right.

not that ive heard. I don't think Putin would go to the brink. I think MAD is still in play here. but will he spend that country into bankruptcy. again ????
the right reason = suicide.

Chernobyl back fired on them. it killed their own people. but that was back in 86. and they denied it happened. till we saw the plume cloud..............

[gunnut]

I don't doubt Russians are technologically capable of developing and deploying a CV group. The problem is political will and financing. I don't think Russia is willing to spend its foreign reserves just to deploy a CV group. That could have devastating effects on the economy.