INDIA’S NEW "COLD START" WAR DOCTRINE STRATEGICALLY REVIEWED

[n21]

The aim is not deep penetration wherein Pakistan can justify a nuclear exchange.

Attack on a broad front and capture shallow objectives and firm in. Wait it out to the negotiating table with a better bargaining chip in hand!

The Indo Pak battlefield is totally a different kettle of fish and has no parallel. It is not a war to the finish. It is a war to the bargaining table!

Sir,
If Cold Start works more than expected, where does IA intend to stop?
In case the blitz opens up the road to the Pakistani capital,I wonder what would IA/India's response.

Add to all this is how does Indian politicans want to sell such a war to the Indian public. Would wiping out couple of PA's divisions,however not taking Lahore be considered a "Win" situation?
PA has always been good at hiding it's casualities and it's defeats,specially when it is not visibly clear to the outside world. The biggest example is 65 & 71 conflict.

People in Pakistan still believe that PA's casualities in Kargil is IA's attacking PA troops when they were returning back after ceasefire!

[n21]

1)

In short, if Cold Start works right (and that is an extremely big if), then the Chinese would be neither willing nor able to react.

That is an interesting thought. Would that mean a way to prevent the Chinese from "invading" India in a standoff, would be to break the back of PA?

How dependent are the Chinese on a fighting fit PA on India's western front?

[Yusuf]

That is an interesting thought. Would that mean a way to prevent the Chinese from "invading" India in a standoff, would be to break the back of PA?

How dependent are the Chinese on a fighting fit PA on India's western front?

Cold Start is a doctrine wrt Paksitan not China. China can invade India if it chooses to.It is not depended on Pakistan for that, although it would help it.

[Yusuf]

Sir,
If Cold Start works more than expected, where does IA intend to stop?
In case the blitz opens up the road to the Pakistani capital,I wonder what would IA/India's response.

Add to all this is how does Indian politicans want to sell such a war to the Indian public. Would wiping out couple of PA's divisions,however not taking Lahore be considered a "Win" situation?
PA has always been good at hiding it's casualities and it's defeats,specially when it is not visibly clear to the outside world. The biggest example is 65 & 71 conflict.

People in Pakistan still believe that PA's casualities in Kargil is IA's attacking PA troops when they were returning back after ceasefire!

Pakistan Nuclear Doctrine states that it will use nukes incase there is any considerable for degradation, imminent fall of vast tracts of land/cities.
So taking out a couple of divs mite test the threshold of PA nukes command. Capturing any city is out of the question. Have to destroy vital infrastructure, command and control centers, get into their territory and head to the negotiating table with a position of strength.

[Officer of Engineers]

That is an interesting thought. Would that mean a way to prevent the Chinese from "invading" India in a standoff, would be to break the back of PA?

From the Chinese perspective, India has to get the Pakistani monkey off her back before she can challenge China as opposed to meeting a challenge from China.

How dependent are the Chinese on a fighting fit PA on India's western front?

I would say expectant rather than dependent. During the 80s debacle, the PLA was preparing to open 2 fronts (1 through Pakistan) against India.

[Yusuf]

From the Chinese perspective, India has to get the Pakistani monkey off her back before she can challenge China as opposed to meeting a challenge from China.

I would say expectant rather than dependent. During the 80s debacle, the PLA was preparing to open 2 fronts (1 through Pakistan) against India.

80's debacle? Can you share more on that?

[Yusuf]

whats goin on here? looks more like a Hot Start stuff than Cold Start.

[Officer of Engineers]

whats goin on here? looks more like a Hot Start stuff than Cold Start.

I was in contact with the Chinese S-2 in the GHQ who said that during I believe it was 1987 that an incident was caused when either Indian or Chinese soldiers were caught peeing on the wrong side of the LAC. It started as somewhat of a silly matter with the other side deliberately peeing on the other snow after the initial hoopla.

It escalated with the Indians deploying 6 brigades and the Chinese responding with 2 regiments.

The PLA wanted the whole thing to die down but the CCP wanted to teach India a lesson and thus ordered the PLA to prepare for war. The PLA responded that the Indians hold the logistical superiority and the only chance for victory was a 2nd front through Pakistan. The PLA was ordered to make the preparation.

The whole thing died down when the Indian Foreign Minister went to Beijing to talk Turkey and both sides realized just how stupid the entire thing was. However, it did impress Beijing that India was brutally honest in the whole thing and willing to talk Turkey.

[Ray]

Sir,
If Cold Start works more than expected, where does IA intend to stop?
In case the blitz opens up the road to the Pakistani capital,I wonder what would IA/India's response.

Add to all this is how does Indian politicans want to sell such a war to the Indian public. Would wiping out couple of PA's divisions,however not taking Lahore be considered a "Win" situation?
PA has always been good at hiding it's casualities and it's defeats,specially when it is not visibly clear to the outside world. The biggest example is 65 & 71 conflict.

People in Pakistan still believe that PA's casualities in Kargil is IA's attacking PA troops when they were returning back after ceasefire!

The whole aim is not to cross the nuclear threshold.

Capture some territory and then to the bargaining table!

That is what I think is the aim.

[Blademaster]

willing to talk Turkey.

What does it mean when you say willing to talk turkey.

[Officer of Engineers]

India talked bluntly without referring to the lost of face by either party. Did not matter who started it. Just fix it.

[Deltacamelately]

The PLA wanted the whole thing to die down but the CCP wanted to teach India a lesson and thus ordered the PLA to prepare for war. The PLA responded that the Indians hold the logistical superiority and the only chance for victory was a 2nd front through Pakistan. The PLA was ordered to make the preparation.

Sir,
what do you think, would be the free world's response to such a scenario, wherein both China and Pakistan(Knowing that it is basically a joint attack by the Chinese with Pakistan) attack India?
India is not a military ally to any nation in this world, she walks alone, so it wil be interesting to know from you, how will the world react?

[Officer of Engineers]

Same as the Kargil War and the Sino-Vietnam Wars. A big yarn.

[Deltacamelately]

Yarn??? Story?

[Yusuf]

Well the politicians call the relations as Natural Allies.. How much of this can be put to practice in times of war remains to be seen.But i think the US would step up under the current circumstances for India.It needs to counter China and they think India is the one for them to do the job.