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  • Originally posted by Mihais View Post
    Saudi forces aren't worth crap.The Turks are getting dangerous,but they'll also face all EE.They'd still enjoy superiority,at least initially.
    As for the nice fellows coming in,they can cause lots of damage.That is all.We'll see

    Back to .50's.You all have a rifle at home.Basically all male population,regardless of age,has an AK.An anti-material rifle is first a psychological weapon.You blow a guy from 1.5 km away,you freeze in place a platoon.Or you take out MG nests.Or whatever else you need to do.In urban combat you can cover an awsome area of environment from a dominant position. But you still only need a couple per btn. More important is training in low level infantry tactics,instinctive shooting,camouflage and movement under fire.Fact is a squad in well done ambush can take out half a company without breaking a sweat.
    It all depends how situation will develop. They are settling them down along Green Highway so we all know what that means. Once they are settled down, I am guessing that invasion will start. We will have very little time to react. This means that our response time is measured in hours if not minutes. This requires totally new weapons, platforms and thinking. The 50 cal standard is just a small part of that re thinking. We cannot allow situations like Malme, Calas, Colone, our reaction must be extremely fast and extremely brutal because we know that they won't give us mercy or compassion. The only thing that is somewhat positive is the fact that we are already stigmatized and sanitized so we have no moral obligations to justify our actions. This is a fight for survival and the fate of our nation. If it happens, and I don't see any reason for it not to happen, this time we will have to go all the way or we will all die.
    Last edited by Versus; 07 Sep 16,, 21:01.

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    • You give too much credit to stigmatization.I repeat,few people give fvck about rampaging muslims being killed.It is not the 90's.Another war means more towelheads attacking civilians in the West.Not that it's not occuring on weekly basis,but it will intensify.So chill, NATO won't move this time.
      Those who know don't speak
      He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36

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      • Originally posted by Mihais View Post
        You give too much credit to stigmatization.I repeat,few people give fvck about rampaging muslims being killed.It is not the 90's.Another war means more towelheads attacking civilians in the West.Not that it's not occuring on weekly basis,but it will intensify.So chill, NATO won't move this time.
        We will see, I mean I don't want to derail the thread so maybe it would be best to move it to the autopsy thread. I know that it is not 99 but just as Nato we are not the ones we used to be. Which puts us in a more difficult position. But you know, Si vis pacem, para bellum

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        • Originally posted by Versus View Post
          Black arrow has been replaced with new model but we will need something with the higher rate of fire. After all there will be a lots of them.
          This is the Black Spear, the replacement for Black arrow.
          Our go-to .50-cal. anti-materiel weapon over here in the States is the Barrett M107A1:

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          • Hello everybody!
            I'm new to this site. I have a question that was given by my chief instructor, why do most rifle bullets diameter are not round up? i mean for example 5.56mm, 7.62mm, 7.92mm, etc... why didnt they manufacture and use like maybe 5mm, 7mm, 8mm, or any other round up number?

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            • Originally posted by ci150004 View Post
              Hello everybody!
              I'm new to this site. I have a question that was given by my chief instructor, why do most rifle bullets diameter are not round up? i mean for example 5.56mm, 7.62mm, 7.92mm, etc... why didnt they manufacture and use like maybe 5mm, 7mm, 8mm, or any other round up number?
              Welcome to the site. I'll give you my answer, others may have different or more specific ones.

              The caliber of a rifle is a very specific thing, not something that you would round up. Since most common calibers are between say 5mm and 8mm, the use of a few significant digits is prudent to help differentiate the calibers.

              Similarly, cartridges are very specific. So specific that you can have different cartridges within the the same caliber of rifle that you can not interchange. So again, the use of a few significant digits is well warranted. Also, gun and ammunition manufacturers are competing against each other for sales, so it makes sense that they will name each specific cartridge something unique.

              That in a nutshell is why there's so many cartridge and calibers out there, some in metric like the those you mentioned, and many more in imperial such as the .223, .243, and .308.

              To be clear the caliber of a rifle is the diameter of the bore of the barrel. The cartridge describes not only the diameter of the bullet, but the shell casing size as well. So while .308 is the caliber, .308 Winchester is the cartridge, and there can be many .308 cartridges for the .308 caliber.

              Hope this helps.

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              • Originally posted by JA Boomer View Post
                To be clear the caliber of a rifle is the diameter of the bore of the barrel. The cartridge describes not only the diameter of the bullet, but the shell casing size as well. So while .308 is the caliber, .308 Winchester is the cartridge, and there can be many .308 cartridges for the .308 caliber.

                Hope this helps.
                And just to mess up things even more, there are calibers who are "rounded up": 9mm, 8mm...

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                • Originally posted by jlvfr View Post
                  And just to mess up things even more, there are calibers who are "rounded up": 9mm, 8mm...
                  I believe his question was why the digits, not the rounded up numbers. My guess here would be due to the performance - "hey, this .20 (5mm) is a peace of crap, while it can fly longer, it can't penetrate anything, let's make it 10% heavier (0,22 is the way to go).

                  In essence because of the fine-tuning for the specific job the producers had in mind.
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                  • Originally posted by ci150004 View Post
                    Hello everybody!
                    I'm new to this site. I have a question that was given by my chief instructor, why do most rifle bullets diameter are not round up? i mean for example 5.56mm, 7.62mm, 7.92mm, etc... why didnt they manufacture and use like maybe 5mm, 7mm, 8mm, or any other round up number?
                    Howdy and welcome to the WAB. How about you go the following link and introduce yourself. Also tell us something about yourself and your interests.

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                    • Quick question, related to the USMC: what's the average age of a Gunnery Sergeant, in peace time (ie, not one promoted over dead people...)

                      I ask because of a discussion in another forum, related to a character in a TV series.

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                      • Well I think our Gunny is about 85....

                        If its like the Army...it depends on career field. Number promoted is determined by number of slots needing to be filled. But most are promoted at 12-15 years of service. So lets say average enlistee is 19 years old then you are talking early 30s.
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                        • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                          Well I think our Gunny is about 85....

                          If its like the Army...it depends on career field. Number promoted is determined by number of slots needing to be filled. But most are promoted at 12-15 years of service. So lets say average enlistee is 19 years old then you are talking early 30s.
                          Ah, ok... a bit less than what I thought, then. Still, considerably older than the "early 20s" that I see on the character. Thanks for the answer.

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                          • Originally posted by jlvfr View Post
                            Ah, ok... a bit less than what I thought, then. Still, considerably older than the "early 20s" that I see on the character. Thanks for the answer.
                            Well what time frame are we talking about. I know of numerous examples of 21 or 22 year old first sergeants from World War 2.
                            “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
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                            • Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                              Well what time frame are we talking about. I know of numerous examples of 21 or 22 year old first sergeants from World War 2.
                              He clearly stated in a peacetime, no war-filling the spots.
                              No such thing as a good tax - Churchill

                              To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.

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                              • But what time current? 1930s?
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