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    While the limelight is on Afghanistan and Pakistan, the US has to take Somalia seriously.

    Somali Extremists Have al Qaeda Ties

    Apr 15, 2009 [WSJ] Ali Soufan

    The mortars fired at the plane carrying New Jersey Rep. Donald Payne out of Mogadishu Airport on Monday were a sharp reminder that although the recent focus on Somalia has been on piracy, the bigger threat comes from terrorists operating onshore. On land, radical jihadists now have one of the largest territories from which to operate since the Taliban hosted al Qaeda in Afghanistan.

    The terrorist group that fired on Mr. Payne is al Shabab ("the Youths"), a one-time military wing of the Islamist Courts Union that ruled Somalia for six months before Ethiopia invaded and deposed them in December 2006. Designated as a terrorist organization by the State Department, al Shabab's aim is to create a Taliban-style Islamic state in Somalia. In pursuit of this goal it uses the most ruthless of methods: executions, beatings, torture and suicide bombing.

    Since Ethiopian troops withdrew from Somalia earlier this year, al Shabab has taken control of important towns inland and along the coast, ... The group has also reportedly entered into financial arrangements with pirates operating from port cities under al Shabab's control. Al Shabab's numbers are steadily rising; it's estimated that they now have up to 7,000 fighters. And it helps that they pay their fighters with cash as well as the promise of martyrdom.

    Unfortunately, al Shabab is a particularly difficult terrorist group to combat because of its asymmetrical and loose organizational structure. Similar to post-9/11 al Qaeda, its senior leaders give broad direction but leave day-to-day operations to individual commanders who control groups of around 100 fighters. So even if senior leaders are killed, individual commanders can easily continue operating.

    Al Qaeda has had a relationship with Somali extremists since the early 1990s when Osama bin Laden was based in Sudan. ....

    To this day, al Shabab's leadership is closely linked to al Qaeda. Many in the current leadership cadre are graduates of al Qaeda training camps. ...

    Veteran al Qaeda terrorists help make up al Shabab's ranks. They include Fazul Abdullah Muhammad, a former member of bin Laden's Nairobi base who is wanted by the U.S. -- a $5 million FBI bounty is on his head -- for his involvement in the 1998 East African embassy bombings. ....

    Somalia's president, Sharif Ahmed, the leader of the Islamic Courts Union, is today seen as a moderate. He has promised to restrain his former comrades. But even if he is sincere, he lacks the resources and troops to stop the lawlessness in his country.

    All of this is important because the freedom of radical extremists to operate in Somalia is a direct threat to America and the West. The lawlessness in Somalia and along its coastlines, combined with its porous border with Kenya, allows terrorists to easily travel in and out of Somalia to Somali communities across the world.

    Cities such as Minneapolis, Stockholm, Cardiff and Dubai, all have large Somali populations, as do neighboring countries like Yemen, Kenya and Ethiopia. ...

    There are options we can pursue to begin improving the situation. A comprehensive international diplomatic push to stabilize Somalia is crucial. In the meantime, the U.S. has to put in place a regional strategy that encompasses diplomatic, economic, intelligence, law-enforcement and military initiatives aimed at weakening the terrorists and enhancing living conditions for civilians.

    The plan may include covert actions against al Shabab leaders and camps; apprehension and prosecution of wanted operatives; increasing aid to the president and his allies if they are determined to be trustworthy; increasing aid to Kenya to help it better police its borders; and an effort to bring neighboring Eritrea and Ethiopia on board. ...

    On Sept. 11, 2001, America learned that a seemingly insignificant far-away country could turn out to be a major threat to our security. If al Qaeda manages to pull off another terrorist attack, there is a strong chance it will be linked to Somalia. This time we've been warned.

    Mr. Soufan was an FBI supervisory special agent from 1997 to 2005.
    Last edited by Merlin; 15 Apr 09,, 09:05.

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    Originally posted by Merlin View Post
    While the limelight is on Afghanistan and Pakistan, the US has to take Somalia seriously.

    Somali Extremists Have al Qaeda Ties
    *Not the US all countries.;)
    Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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    • #3
      Some countries have a sympathy with the Somali.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
        *Not the US all countries.;)
        Come on. Al Qaeda is not a threat to all countries.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Merlin View Post
          Come on. Al Qaeda is not a threat to all countries.
          Perhaps not *yet*... but they already are to many...
          ppbulatlat.blogspot.com

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          • #6
            Al Qaeda is mainly taking on the US and its interests, and those who supports them. Not to so many other countries in the world.
            Last edited by Merlin; 25 Apr 09,, 06:04.

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            • #7
              There will be no appeasing Al Qaeda. If they achieve one part of their goal, they will keep going…All elements of that type of organization need to be taken seriously.
              Aut vincere aut mori

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dreadnought View Post
                *Not the US all countries.;)
                True....but the US has a "vested" interest more than others being as other prominent members of this board know first hand being MPLS Minnesota has the largest Somali population out side of Somalia (MPR: Faces of Minnesota: Somalis
                And according to the "community leaders" the clan wars have spilled to the streets of MPLS ( More Somali gang violence in Minneapolis prompts community meeting Refugee Resettlement Watch ) we have long known of the millions that have been sent back to the homeland and have financed some of the strife there then there was the recruitment of young men for suicide/whatever bombings this reveals a potential pipeline right to the heartland of the USA. IMO

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                • #9
                  There's no appeasing anyone who's willing to take up arms against you to tell you how to live your life. People with an economic motive can be appeased, but those who simply cannot stand the way you choose to live are different...

                  Somalia's insurgents are funny. First it was that everything would be peachy once the Ethiopians were gone and the AU troops were in charge. Now they won't talk to the government until the AU troops are gone. And I'm certain once they run the AU out they won't negotiate with the government until they make the kind of government the insurgents wanted in the first place.

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                  • #10
                    Somalia ceased to exist many years ago.

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                    • #11
                      In the area of world affairs, one should not ignore power vacuum, especially one with Muslim majority in extreme poverty. Extremists welcome this. They move in, thrive in it, and take on others.

                      Somali Jihad threatening to cross the border into Kenya

                      28 Apr A major foreign policy development is challenging the new US administration; ironically from a region where Obama has strong familial, political and ethnic ties. As the Washington Post and other news sources have been reporting, the radical Islamic group Al-Shabab is now tightening control over all of southern Somalia, eliminating the last remaining strongholds of government forces. But the group, is also threatening to expand its Jihad throughout Northeastern Africa, most especially into neighboring Kenya.

                      The Al-Shabab are Muslim extremists, with strong ties to Al Qaeda. They support the imposition of strict Sharia Law throughout Somalia. According to CNN 4/18: Alshabab declared that it would continue fighting until Sharia law is imposed in Somalia…..
                      Last edited by Merlin; 29 Apr 09,, 03:26.

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                      • #12
                        This post is not about extremists, but something related to the Somali government.

                        Somalia Sees Imposing Islamic Law as Positive Step

                        20 Apr [VOA] A hard-line opposition faction in Somalia, allied with the militant al-Shabab group, has cautiously welcomed the passage of Islamic law Saturday in parliament. It is a positive development for the Somalia's fledgling unity government, which is hoping the imposition of the law, known as sharia, will remove the insurgents' main argument for continuing the war in Somalia.

                        The spokesman of the hard-line faction of Hisbul Islam, Muse Abdi Arale, told reporters in the Somali capital that parliament's historic decision was, in the group's opinion, a positive first step toward peace.

                        Meeting a crucial demand of Somali clerics and some opposition groups, the country's interim parliament voted unanimously on Saturday to adopt sharia as national legislation. ....

                        While short of a ringing endorsement, the conciliatory words are expected to give Somalia's newly-formed government a much-needed boost in its struggle to pacify a country that has been at war for the past 18 years. Fourteen previous attempts to form a government have failed amid power struggles, violence, and rebellion.

                        This government was formed in January, following the Ethiopian troop withdrawal from Somalia and U.N.-sponsored efforts to merge the previous secular government with an opposition group led by moderate Islamist cleric Sharif Sheik Ahmed. ....

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                        • #13
                          Back to extremists in Somalia.

                          Terrorists moving from Afghan border to Africa

                          28 Apr WASHINGTON (AP) - U.S. military officials say an alarming shift appears to be taking place as battle-hardened extremists filter out of safe havens along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border and into East Africa.

                          Military and counterterrorism officials say the movement is fueling concern that Somalia could become the next Afghanistan, a sanctuary where al-Qaida-linked groups could train and plan their threatened attacks against the western world.

                          So far, officials say the number of foreign fighters moving to the Horn of Africa is small, perhaps two to three dozen. .... And the militants could pass on sophisticated training and attack techniques gleaned from seven years at war against the U.S. and allies in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Merlin View Post
                            Al Qaeda is mainly taking on the US and its interests, and those who supports them. Not to so many other countries in the world.
                            *So this means the US should take responsibility for what is going on in Somalia? I think its right that all countries should be involved since it is primarily their ships that are being attacked off the coast. The US has already shown she wont pay ransomes. Dam shame alot of other countries do and thats primarily why they continue because it puts money in their pocets for weapons.;)
                            Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Merlin View Post
                              Back to extremists in Somalia.

                              Terrorists moving from Afghan border to Africa
                              Which isint much because they have been loosing the WOT.;)
                              Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

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