NATO is now trying to kill Mommar Ghadhafi, has killed Saif

[Officer of Engineers]

Perhaps the premise of objection is not so much as Qaddafi's killing, but just simply killing. We have all compromised on our ideals a whole lot and there have always been enormously important reasons for it, supporting the troops is perhaps the one most commonly used, in Pakistan it was " or else we'd be bombed to the stone age". I was really young when the Patriot Act was passed and in the hurry in which it was passed, I always wondered if they can get away with anything. You've asked whats wrong with killing Qaddafi, they asked whats wrong in curbing a little freedom for a little security... Both seem valid, however both premises are on that dreaded slippery slope.

There is nothing slippery about killing Qaddafy. He declared war on us. He declared war on his on people. He made the legal arguments for us.

Its also the selective nature of the rebellions that are supported. Egyptian rebellion was bad, until it became good, then Libya and Syria's rebellion is good, but Bahrain and Yemen's is not.

I can see your point and yet somehow do not. The rebellion ALWAYS win, even when they loose. The victorious power, while punishing those directly responsible, will always try to appease those indirectly responsible, trying both the carrot and the stick approach.

Profiteering over these rebellions, like saying we're implementing a No-Fly Zone and then expanding it into at least regime change is also causing frictions for the world. Perhaps the UN mandate could have been about killing Qaddafi but then we know assassinations are still something we object to.

Then, your leaders are telling you lies. From day one here on WAB, I and all our British comrades have been stating the only acceptable solution is Qaddafy's death. While it is not exactly stated in 1973, it is also not illegal for NATO to target the HNIC for command decisions in killing his own people.

Revolutions like Egypt's they worked themselves out. I want a revolution in Pakistan too, but if I've made up my mind, no matter how sweet the pot is, I won't take Nato's help for it at least. You got to draw the line, somewhere.

I have news for you. Without Misrata, NATO would have already lost this war and Misrata is NOT our doing.

[Asim Aquil]

but war is not simple.

Wise words. Something that is often overlooked while starting new wars. In the beginning its always like "We'll do this, then that and finally this and tadaaa"

[Officer of Engineers]

No, not overlooked. Just not everything was examined. The Kragil War is but an example. By Pakistani perspective, it was an easy and very achievable objective? Why would India spill blood to recover a bunch of rocks. No one in the Pakistani General Staff answered that question with the simplest of answers.

Why would India spill blood to recover a bunch of rocks? Because they want to.

[Parihaka]

Why would India spill blood to recover a bunch of rocks? Because they want to.

And there it is.

[tankie]

Well to keep to the thread , I hope gaddifi is exterminated , not by daleks but by a Libyan 747 blowing up over his tent , hopefully named Locherbie revisited . Hey Mirko interesting name place you have selected ,,Amerikuuuh **** ???

[bigross86]

It's the theme song from "Team America: World Police".

Just another sign of his awesome maturity. That and his spelling skills ;)

[Doktor]

Ben, you and tankie have different spell-checkers. This reminds of this episode from Snatch:

Avi: Blagged? Speak English to me, Tony. I thought this country spawned the ****ing language, and so far nobody seems to speak it.

[tankie]

Ben, you and tankie have different spell-checkers. This reminds of this episode from Snatch:

Avi: Blagged? Speak English to me, Tony. I thought this country spawned the ****ing language, and so far nobody seems to speak it.

Oh we did WE did , however , try Newcastle , then Birmingham , London , Cornwall ,Somerset , Scotland , etc etc and then come back and ,

tell me wot u fink ;)

[bigross86]

Besides, he was quoting Mirko's "location", abysmal spelling included

[tankie]

Besides, he was quoting Mirko's "location", abysmal spelling included

Trooooooooooooo ya gots me

[Doktor]

Oh we did WE did , however , try Newcastle , then Birmingham , London , Cornwall ,Somerset , Scotland , etc etc and then come back and ,

tell me wot u fink ;)

If you referring that you can't understand each other, I hear ya. We are 2 mil on 25k sq km and in some part I hardly understand the locals

[Blademaster]

There is nothing slippery about killing Qaddafy. He declared war on us.

I thought he had declared the war over. Sure he declared war during the 80s. But that was done and over with. Can you give me any evidence that he was gonna wage war against the Western world now before the civil war broke out? he was trying to rejoin the world community and open the place for business.

I have news for you. Without Misrata, NATO would have already lost this war and Misrata is NOT our doing.

yes Misrata is not our doing but it would not have happened if NATO didn't use its planes to interdict supply forces to Gaddafi's forces against Misrata.

[Officer of Engineers]

I thought he had declared the war over. Sure he declared war during the 80s. But that was done and over with. Can you give me any evidence that he was gonna wage war against the Western world now before the civil war broke out? he was trying to rejoin the world community and open the place for business.

It is precisely the civil war that we cannot allow him to win. If he wins, the rebels will flee and he will follow to whatever country the rebels end up being. If the rebels reside in France or the US, he will strike at France and the US. His bombing of the Berlin Disco was aimed at the US, American servicemen. It was not his intentions to attack Germany. The same with Lockerbie though that was two birds with one stone but the US was the primary target.

yes Misrata is not our doing but it would not have happened if NATO didn't use its planes to interdict supply forces to Gaddafi's forces against Misrata.

Qaddafy had armoured columns in city centre for 3 weeks and still couldn't take the city. We've just hasten his retreat, not forced it.

[Dreadnought]

Libya claims on NATO strikes can be absurd
Jun 6, 2:25 PM (ET)
By DIAA HADID

TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) - The small note in curly handwriting was quietly passed by a medic to a foreign reporter in a Tripoli hospital.

Its hastily scrawled contents suggested that Libyan officials were lying when they said a baby girl was wounded in a NATO attack. Government officials had bused reporters to the Tripoli Central Hospital to see the baby, whom they identified as Haneen.

She lay on a stark hospital cot, with colorful tubes attached to her body. Her foot was bandaged.

"This is a case of road traffic accident," the medic's note read.

"This is the trouth," said the last line, the word misspelled.

That small scrap of paper underlines the absurdity confronting reporters who try to cover Moammar Gadhafi's regime in Tripoli, the Libyan capital.

It appears that officials exaggerate the scope of and casualties from two months of NATO airstrikes that have targeted sites critical to Gadhafi. Regime officials try to prove that alliance strikes, instead of protecting Libyan civilians, is doing them harm.

Those thundering NATO strikes do sometimes kill and wound civilians. They do cause damage to homes, hospitals and roads.

But some government officials appear determined, understandably, to exagerate the damage done and casualties caused.

Government officials said the baby girl was injured in a NATO strike on a target near her house on the outskirts of Tripoli early Sunday.

A Libyan official identified one man who spoke to reporters as the child's neighbor. As he spoke to reporters, the Libyan official nudged him to condemn NATO.

A woman who was identified as her mother was led by a Libyan official to stand beside the baby. Photographers snapped photos.

And then a medic quitely dropped the note. A reporter covered it with his foot and read it only later, when government officials weren't looking.

Reporters in Tripoli have agreed not to photograph the note, identify the medic's specific job or the medic's gender. They fear the care-giver would face harsh retribution if identified. The note is in the possession of a foreign reporter who is allowing other journalists to see it.

It was scrawled in blue ink on the back of a doctor's diagnosis form.

The medic disappeared into a crowd of hospital staff before reporters could ask questions.

Hours later, reporters were shipped to another site where officials said a NATO strike targeted a farm house on Tripoli's outskirts.

An unexploded, rusting bomb lay between the palms and olive trees on the farm.

"The women ran away screaming and the children lay on the floor," said the farm owner Mohammed al-Najeh. The 50-year-old said he and his family were sitting in the garden when the bomb landed on Sunday evening.

The farmer's young son nodded solemnly, clutching a large green flag - the color of the Libyan regime.

But what appeared to be Cyrillic script used by the Russians could be seen on the back of the barrel-shaped explosive.

Russia, of course, is not part of NATO. But it has been an arms supplier to Libya in the past.

When questioned about the Russian script, reporters were offered a different story.

"The NATO strike hit a missile depot about a kilometer (about half a mile) away," said one man.

"The missiles flew in the air, and one of them landed here," the man said.

It was the same man who was initially identified as the baby girl's neighbor earlier in the day. When pressed by reporters, he identified himself as a government official called Emad Ghaith.

Libya's deputy foreign minister said it was not government policy to make up stories for the foreign press.

"The government message is credible. I am sure if there is a mistake, its not from government sources," said Khaled Kaim at a press briefing at a bombed-out building on Monday.

He said Libyan residents wanting to emphasize how they are suffering under NATO attacks might be be exaggerating.

"It is from people who are enthusiastic, and they want to show journalists that there is injustice and targeting of civilians," he said.

iWon News - Libya claims on NATO strikes can be absurd

[bigross86]

I'm reminded of Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf