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[troung]

Do some research.

[bigross86]

I can't. I've got an image to maintain. I never research when I can ask. It's much easier in the long run (come to think of it, it's usually easier in the short run also...) And it gives people the good feeling of sharing their knowledge with others who don't know as much as them on the subject. It's a win-win situation, even if some win more than others...

[Bill]

SARH= Semi Active Radar Homing

TVM= Track Via Missile

Cm wave means the waveform of the radar is in the centimeter wavelength.

[bigross86]

Thankx, Snipe. See, Troung? All I had to do was wait a bit, and someone got the satisfaction of teaching someone of the younger generation, and not being thought of as an idiot. It brings a tear to my eye every time I help one of them gain that satisfaction.

[lurker]

"S-300V have no "Flap Lid".
Actual tracking of the small RCS targets in S-300V is performed by "High Screen" radar (9S19M2). "

Flap Lid still provides terminal illumination for the S300, and even the S400. The SA-10 series is SARH(TVM), so it requires a cm band illuminator.

Search radars are much longer waves, and are not suitable for guidance because the refresh rate is too low.

and again...
- S-300V is not TVM
- S-300V does not have "Flap Lid"
- S-300V NATO designation is SA-12, not SA-10

look at the pictures:

- This is "Flap Lid" A :


- This is "Flap Lid" B:


This is S-300V surveillance radar - "Bill Board" (9S15)


This is S-300V sector radar - "High Scren" (9S19)


This is S-300V control/illuminator - "Grill Pan" (9S32)

[bigross86]

lurker wrote:

bigross86 wrote:
LOL! btw- whats the S-300? Snipe, do you think the Israeli Chetz (Arrow) could be implemented effectively on AEGIS warships?

Here:
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/s-300pmu.htm
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/s-300v.htm

It's the same system, installed mostly on cruisers (Kirov class, Slava class and others).

Umm, dude? According to those websites which you sent me to, the S-300 IS the SA-10. It also happens to be the SA-12 AND the SA-N-6.

[lurker]

Umm, dude? According to those websites which you sent me to, the S-300 IS the SA-10. It also happens to be the SA-12 AND the SA-N-6.

Actually there is 3 systems:

- S-300P (PT/PS/PM/PMU-1/PMU-2) - Airforce, for the "Static" AA defence of the HQ's, bases and other important objects.
- S-300F (FM) - Navy, for the AA of the ships groups.
- S-300V - Army, for the mobile "front line" area AA.

S-300P (SA-10) and S-300F (SS-N-6) are highly unified and use the same kind of missiles (TVM).
S-300V (SA-12) is using about 50% of the same equipment, and different kind of missiles. S-300V were also deployed in Missile defence forces (which were a separate army branch, but now are joined with Strategic Missile Forces)

[bigross86]

Hey, live a day, learn something new. That's what it's all about. (That and Computer, TV, Guitar, Friends, Food, and oh yeah, PORN!!!!!)

[Bill]

Ho hum.

Flap lid is a FIRE CONTROL radar, NOT a search radar.

You DO know the difference, right?

[bigross86]

One finds the plane, one guides the missile to the target...

[lurker]

Ho hum.

Flap lid is a FIRE CONTROL radar, NOT a search radar.

You DO know the difference, right?

Do you? Maybe you also can show me a mesage, where I called "Flap Lid" a search radar?

Maybe I also need to explain to you the difference between TVM and Midcourse guided/Active seeker, and why S-300V is not using a "Flap lid"?

[bigross86]

I know what TVM is, but what's that other thing, Midcourse guided/Active seeker

[lurker]

I know what TVM is, but what's that other thing, Midcourse guided/Active seeker

Means that for the most of the trajectory missile is receiving guiding commands only (not sending anything), and for the last few seconds it engages the active seeker.

[Bill]

Track via missile means that the missile seeker forwards it's return to the tracking station in order to increase illumination range. The SA-10 is a TVM guided missile.

The SA-10 is not active terminally guided by it's onboard seeker.

You stated that the SA-10 doesn't use flap lid, then proceeded to post a bunch of pictures of search radars to illustrate your point....incorrectly.

All SA-10's use flap lid or Top dome for terminal illumination.

[lurker]

Are you on special ed. or something?

Let me remind you how it was:
1. You expressed doubts that S-400 will b able to detect and intercept stealth.
2. I told you that S-300V was detecting and intercepting the same RCS class targets long time ago. Those targets were Pershing-1 warheads.
3. You stated that S-300V cannot do this, because it's TVM
4. I told you, that S-300V is not TVM, it's not S-10 (it's SA-12), and provided you with pictures of all the stations for S-300V.

So why we just agree that you don't know jack?

p.s. funny to see your "been there/seen that/everything is crap" messages - In the meantime it looks to me, that you just walking down the street with a naked ass, pointing your fingers at people and laughing...
Keep up the good work - I enjoy the show. :D

p.s.p.s. If you are so potent about TVM disadvantages, why dont' you explain to all of us the advantages of the "Improved Hawk" over "Patriot"? "Patriot" is TVM, isn't it?