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ask the Colonel how many Canadian troops were sent to fight in Iraq, at a time when America was desperate for any and all allies it could get.
147 Canadian Forces personel participated directly in the ground invasion of Iraq. 2700 Canadians in a Canadian Naval Task Group protected the left flank of the USN carriers launching airstrikes into Iraq.
Currently, a Canadian Major-General is the 2nd In Command of III Corps in Iraq.
Her daddy ain't coming back home because American politicians sent him to carry out coups in places like Venezuela.
So you have no ideas how coups work yet you talk out of your ass?
Why was Chavez targeted like this? Apparently, he is the first president of Venezuela that cares about the 60% of the population that lives in slums and shantytowns. Venezuela apparently had been ruled by the ultra-rich descendants of the white plantation owners since independence. In an country where there are cardboard cities, the elite whites drive around in Porsches and own the majority of the land and siphon off billions of dollars from the national oil revenue. And of course, the free-marketers now call him a communist. Ah well, at least that's better than being called a capitalist.
He is very similar to Sukrano and Sihanouk, both tried to piss off the USA, both pissed off their militaries, both ruined their own economies by their silly policies and both fell in coups. And his firing generals to get a cabinet willing to waste money on phallic symbols just makes another coup more likely.
The point is he actually wants trouble...
Chavez, elected twice to presidency, wanted to change this system around and of course, the upper crust wasn't too pleased with this and America was even less pleased with this, especially moves like increasing taxes on the oil and a ban on oil privatization (which means Exxon can't suck the country dry) so that he could pay for.... god forbid.... healthcare and schools.
Actually he is buying scores of weapons while on the same hand ruining his own economy. The middle class is dying off there. And the weapons not for defense but to try and show off, yeah and he is backing the FARC...
Stick to talking about how India should make bases in PNG... ;) ... jackass...
To sit down with these men and deal with them as the representatives of an enlightened and civilized people is to deride ones own dignity and to invite the disaster of their treachery - General Matthew Ridgway
I ask you again, if you are Canadian then why are you defending America? If you talking about Canadian war dead, I have all the respect in the world for them.
But when I start talking about Americans pushing their agenda, you tell me that I have no concept of loyalty or honour. I don't quite understand why you dragging in a Canadian KIA into discussions about American imperialism. What pray tell, does a Canadian soldier who died in battle on a UN sanctioned peace-keeping operation have to do with American war dead who were sent by their politicians to interfere in places like Vietnam, Iraq and Venezuela? Don't insult a Canadian soldier who actually died for something of value like this. I know you are trying to illustrate that you have learnt from experience about honour and loyalty, but what does that have to do with American policies?
I pity the American war dead in Iraq. They are dying for economic reasons, and for absolutely nothing to do with freedom or protection of the American state. You are dragging in things that are irrelevant to the topic at hand. Furthermore, you completely ignored my requests to show that America's actions are justified. Which you would, since their actions cannot be justified.
And like I told highsea, I couldn't care less if a right-winger moron thinks that I'm to be ignored. Especially since I wasn't even arguing against Canada (I live here for God's sake), I was arguing against American policies.
US soldiers are died in iraq for US interests iand i consider that has honour.So what economic reasons are of no interest to you, do you consider ecenomic reasons good enough to die for.It is as worthy as dieing for a piece of land.
What's the difference between people who pray in church and those who pray in casinos?
The ones in the casinos are serious.
I was going to ignore this but this is too much. I insult my people? You're one piece of garbage, Rani. You have absolutely no idea about leadership. You have no concept of responsibility. You have no concept of honour. None of duty. And a big fat zero about loyalty.
I ain't going to waste my time explaining things to you but the American combat leaders in Iraq care as much for their people as I do mine. They paid the price and still are paying the price. They may or may not agree with the mission but they certainly are trying to carry out their mission with the greatest sense of honour and dedication that I've ever seen. They have not shirk their duties and the loyalty displayed is far above your pathetic commie leanings.
I would get beaten walking into a university? Kid, get real. None of you got the guts. I've walked through UT, UW, UWL, QU in Class As and battle dress and everytime, all of you have given me a wide birth. I've stared down entire tank armies and I ripped AK-47s out of hands of guys a hell of alot tougher than a bunch of kids with books.
You are a loon. I doubt the Indian Army would take you. Certainly the good Captain and the good Brigadier is nothing like you. You don't measure up.
...I think that an entire ethnic group being gassed by Iraq would be classified as its 'existence is threatened'. Not that you Americans would care, considering how you encouraged them to revolt during the Gulf War, promising to get rid of Saddam, and then left them to rot and to be gassed.
You say that you are a student. Of what? Certainly not current affairs or history. The gas attack you are refering to occured 2 years before the first Gulf War. Get it 2 years!! So try to get your facts straight befor slinging them around, else they have a bad habit of coming around and biting your ass!
…but I believe in drawing a line somewhere. I don't believe in winning at any and at all costs...
I know that I've taken the quote out of context. But if you have an basic ingrained attitude like this, it's hard to see how you can shed them, if or when you enter military service. Therefore I still pity any men you might one day command, because noble self-rightious sentiments like these will most likely get some of them killed.
I respect Canadian soldiers, this is what I said about them before:
If you talking about Canadian war dead, I have all the respect in the world for them.
That being said, I think you are not doing them justice but trying to justify a unjust war in Iraq. I have no doubt that the vast majority of American military personnel COs care for their men. I take offense at American foriegn and military policy like the Monroe Doctrine for instance. Why are you taking offense at my protests of policy? Policy is decided largely by politicians not military commanders. As such, I don't make it my business insult the military of any country. I believe that I have said this repeatedly.
You are confusing my protest of American policy as a direct insult on the military. In fact, you persistently take my criticisms of American policy as attacks on the militaries of the respective countries. Let me repeat, I don't care to criticize any military unless they commit war crimes, either American or Canadian. Are you aware that I considered joining the American military for a standard four year term? But I didn't want to aid in the rape and looting of other countries so I dropped the idea.
If you think otherwise, go over my posts and show me where I proceeded to insult or attack the military.
I would get beaten walking into a university?
I was exaggerating and you know it. All Canadian students would respect any Canadian soldier, especially one with such a long military record like yours. But they most certainly would not agree with the war in Iraq. They would respect any soldier that served there since they are merely carrying out their duties. As do I. But if you tried to justify the war by talking about freedom and liberty and all that crap, they would politely disagree with you. I'm sure you noticed certain very large protests in Canada during the time of the Iraq war. Students formed a large portion of those protesters.
147 Canadian Forces personel participated directly in the ground invasion of Iraq. 2700 Canadians in a Canadian Naval Task Group protected the left flank of the USN carriers launching airstrikes into Iraq.
Currently, a Canadian Major-General is the 2nd In Command of III Corps in Iraq.
We were there and we were there big.
Where exactly did you get this number? Do you have any links? As far as I know, the Canadian Prime Minister would have committed political suicide by committing Canadian troops during the Iraq war. In fact, he was under severe pressure not to commit troops during the Iraq war, just as he was forced to decline joining in the American Star Wars program later on, and I remember the headlines in the Toronto Star, the National Post, the Globe and Mail.... virtually every single paper in the country screaming that the PM had decided not to commit troops to the war.
If Canada did commit troops, it wasn't done with the mandate of the Canadian people and done just to appease the Americans. Either that or the troops were sent their after Bush declared the war phase as being 'over' or were sent there under the auspices of NATO. At any rate, I would hardly call the committing of 2500 naval personnel, one rifle company and a Major General as being 'big' considering that Americans have several Corps (150,000 to 200,000 men)deployed there.
And I consider the word communist to be a complement (but if you want to really complement me, call me a socialist which is what I really am) so you'd have to call me a capitalist to set my blood boiling. There's nothing, absolutely nothing lower than a pure capitalist.
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So you have no ideas how coups work yet you talk out of your ass?
I'm well informed on how coups usually happen. They are usually carried out with CIA personnel co-operating with the local wealthy and their goons as opposed to extensive deployment of military personnel. A good example would be coup in Venezuela in 2002. But how about the invasion of Panama to depose Noriega? You wanna bet that quite a few American daddies didn't come back from the coup thanks to the American political decision to topple Noriega? How about Iraq to depose of Saddam? The count's a 1000+ and rising with no end in sight. Neither of these are coups in the strictest sense of the word but the Americans involved themselves in order to get rid of the leaders of these countries so I guess you could call them coups.
He is very similar to Sukrano and Sihanouk, both tried to piss off the USA, both pissed off their militaries, both ruined their own economies by their silly policies and both fell in coups. And his firing generals to get a cabinet willing to waste money on phallic symbols just makes another coup more likely.
The point is he actually wants trouble...
Have you ever watched anything besides Fox News or read anything besides the New York Times? Both of these repeat word for word what the US State Department tells them. And the US State Dept. is hardly what I would call a unbiased source. It's a mouthpiece of the American right-wingers, especially the ones that are in power.
I suggest you do some real research. Before Chavez took over, the oligarchy that held power with American connivance stole billions of dollars from the sale of oil to maintain their lavish lifestyles while 60% of the population lived below the poverty line. Count that: 60% under the poverty line thanks to successive dicators following American endorsed neo-liberal policy during the 80's. The oligarchy was favoured by the Americans because they allowed privatization - basically allowed American oil companies to buy up capital and refineries in the country and sell oil without paying a single cent in taxes.
Chavez is the first person of native origin (the oligarchy is mostly composed of the descendants of rich white plantation owners) who held power in country and he is actually imposing taxes on American refineries and restricting insane amounts of privatization, now establishing schools and hospitals for the poor that were non-existent under the oligarchy. Of course, the Bush administration actually hit the ceiling over that (the privatisation limitations and taxes on American oil) and tried to overthrow him. And accuse the man who won 2 general elections and 6 referendums as being a dictator.
Actually he is buying scores of weapons while on the same hand ruining his own economy. The middle class is dying off there. And the weapons not for defense but to try and show off, yeah and he is backing the FARC...
And now Chavez is buying up assault rifles and choppers and talking about developing nuclear weapons with Iran. He's also starting to sell oil to the Chinese to reduce dependence on American sales. Are you shocked? The man was abducted from his own home by CIA and local wealthy conspirators. If it were me, I'd have done a lot more than that to the scum that had to gall to interfere in my country's affairs, going so far as to try and assasinate me.
Why would he do that? Well, it's simple. Ever since the Vietnam War, America hasn't got the balls to attack any country that might cause too many body bags to come back home. The only exception being Iraq but that's because the moronic politicians were under the idiotic impression that they would be welcomed with garlands. Go back over the lists of invasions and show me the name of one major country that posed a threat (with nukes) to America being invaded. You won't find one. Like all cowards, they attack and manipulate only those countries that don't pose a serious threat. Ones that can't do much in retaliation. China poses a much greater threat than Iraq but do you see America invading them? Of course not. If America tried to invade China, they'd be buying up thousands of square kilometres to build Arlingtons. If they survived the nuclear firestorm.
You don't like me saying that? Well, the day that America actually attacks a major country that has nuclear weapons, then I'll change that opinion, but until then, I reserve the right to hold it.
But for now, developing nukes is Chavez's best bet. I'd like to see if America would have the balls invade Venezuela if it can turn Miami into a nuclear wasteland. That and distributing AK-47s among the local populace like he's doing now so that the he can turn Venezuela into another Iraq, which would bog down the US military, destroy morale, turn the World political climate increasingly against the Americans etc. An excellent strategy if he wants to survive. After spending years being raped by neo-liberals set up by the Americans I'm sure that the poor who suffered would love to do something about it if the people who are the source of the trouble invaded. And if you thinking Chavez would actually waste his time supporting the FARC, then you've definitely been tuned into CNN and Fox News too long.
Stick to talking about how India should make bases in PNG... ... jackass...
I would love to jackass, but I've been sidetracked by American right-wingers who have been so deluded by CNN that they think America will be around forever and so have been dropping subtle hints that they think that India will be only a minor country compared to America in far future and so will not be able to put bases in SE Asia.
US soldiers are died in iraq for US interests iand i consider that has honour.So what economic reasons are of no interest to you, do you consider ecenomic reasons good enough to die for.It is as worthy as dieing for a piece of land.
Defense of the nation is different from sending troops to rape and loot other countries. That too, small ones that can't really fight back. A fair fight, huh? That's is the epitome of cowardice, if I've ever seen one. The American soldiers may or may not have performed with honour but the American politicians are cowards of the lowest order. Fighting for nothing more than the right to steal what they can. Then privatizing all the industries in the country so that they can 'legitemately' loot the country.
Then you would have to take it in context. Go to the thread and read my post in full. My intention was to say that I wasn't so concerned with American war dead as compared to those who suffer under the heel of American neo-colonialism or are caught up in the proxy wars that America runs because at least the American soldiers will be honoured by their people and be given medals and praised for their service. What about those caught in the crossfire? Will America give a medal to the 2-year-old that dies of starvation thanks to the proxy war that America is running? And even if America did, what would be the point?
An insult would be my saying that American soldiers are so-and-so, not saying that I'm not concerned about American war dead.
Will America give a medal to the 2-year-old that dies of starvation thanks to the proxy war that America is running?
Like this one?
You are a disgrace. As far as you "considering joining the US Military", you have to be a US citizen ot a legal resident. You are neither. I pity the military that ever accepts you into their ranks.
A U.S. Navy Hospital Corpsman treats one of two Iraqi children brought into the Regimental Combat Team 2 Aide Station at Camp Ripper, Al Asad, Iraq, on June 8, 2005. The children were found tied to a cinder block during a house raid in Dhulab, Iraq, by Marines attached to 2nd Marine Division as they conducted counter-insurgency operations with Iraqi Security Forces. DoD photo by Lance Cpl. Shane S. Keller, U.S. Marine Corps.
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You say that you are a student. Of what? Certainly not current affairs or history. The gas attack you are refering to occured 2 years before the first Gulf War. Get it 2 years!! So try to get your facts straight befor slinging them around, else they have a bad habit of coming around and biting your ass!
I'm aware of that. My point is that during the Gulf War, the Americans fed the poor Kurds crap about how they were going to come in a free them. The Kurds revolted but the coalition stopped short of taking Baghdad and toppling Saddam, retreating. Now what do you think Saddam is about to do those who sided with his enemies in what was almost a battle for his very life? America and her partners withdrew knowing very well that Saddam would blow his top and more reprisals would come the Kurds' way.
And America also knew that Saddam had chemical gas and used it on the Kurds before and was looking for an excuse to do it again. What made the Americans think that Saddam wouldn't use it again to teach the Kurds a lesson? The issue is not whether or not Saddam gassed the Kurds after the Gulf War. The issue is that the Americans encouraged the Kurds to rise up knowing that they'd pull back and leave the Kurds to face Saddam's full wrath, which might take the form of chemical gas as Saddam had already displayed a propensity for using it. America was willing to sacrifice thousands of Kurdish men, women and children to a horrible death at the hands of nerve gas as long as the Kurds helped the war effort and lowered American casualties.
I know that I've taken the quote out of context. But if you have an basic ingrained attitude like this, it's hard to see how you can shed them, if or when you enter military service. Therefore I still pity any men you might one day command, because noble self-rightious sentiments like these will most likely get some of them killed.
I believe I already said that I'd like to think that I would do just about anything necessary to ensure my country was safe? Of course, there are lines you don't cross certain lines in war, like those restrictions imposed by Geneva Convention. Or are you implying here that you think American soldiers should disregard the Geneva Convention and engage in torture, rape of minors and adults, killing of unarmed combatants and the like? This are lines that I would be hesitant to cross and the pay off would have to very high indeed for me to engage in such acts.
But don't worry, I won't be surprised if you endorse such acts. After all, you seem to be a right-wing American....
You are a disgrace. As far as you "considering joining the US Military", you have to be a US citizen ot a legal resident. You are neither. I pity the military that ever accepts you into their ranks.
I'm aware of the restrictions, thank you very much. And I'm also aware that normal American soldiers (not the loonies and psychopaths) don't try to cause collateral damage and may engage in humanitarian aid. But again you are confusing American policy with the actions of the military.
American policy requires that Iraq be invaded. How many Iraqi children died because of the invasion? Then American soldiers come along and try to fix things. Here is an example of the results of the American policy that demands that oil supplies be secured especially in the wake of China's moves to secure oil supplies and Venezuela's hostility:
The picture you posted is an American soldier trying to help a child. What's the point of helping someone after you've bombed them to rubble? How about you Americans adopt a policy that makes sure that your military stays at home unless a real threat to your military security arises? There's no point helping someone in a country you have no right to be in. If American soldiers had gone to Iraq to help Iraqi children without invading them, then it would be something to talk about. But don't invade a country for its oil supplies and then expect the world to be mollified because you release pictures of an American soldier feeding a child. Because you aren't there to help the children. America's primary goal is to secure Iraq's oil supplies.
Well, I did say that you "seem" to be a right-wing American. Not that there's any way to verify your claim of being Canadian. You could be lying for all I know. Strange, there aren't too many Canadians who support American policies. Oh well, it's just my luck that a minority of the population comes up to support the right-winger Americans.
And don't apologize to srirangan. I'm pretty sure that this is my thread . It's been hijacked because American right-wingers can't admit that America might not be a dominant power in the future.
Well, I did say that you "seem" to be a right-wing American. Not that there's any way to verify your claim of being Canadian. You could be lying for all I know.
Is the only possibility in your mind that he is lying? You couldn't possibly be wrong could you?
Not that there's any way to verify your claim of being Canadian. You could be lying for all I know. Strange, there aren't too many Canadians who support American policies. Oh well, it's just my luck that a minority of the population comes up to support the right-winger Americans.
You’re a brave man Rani, sitting at your computer, separated from me by thousands of miles, and implying that I’m a liar. That takes real guts. I don’t consider myself a violent man, but I don’t like being labelled a liar even if it’s only by some weasely innuendo. If circumstances were different I would make you retract your allegation.
You see I am a Canadian. Naturalized it’s true. But from what I know that still counts.
As for non-Americans finding your thread offensive, well BS does have a certain odour that transcends nationalities.
When we blindly adopt a religion, a political system, a literary dogma, we become automatons. We cease to grow. - Anais Nin
You’re a brave man Rani, sitting at your computer, separated from me by thousands of miles, and implying that I’m a liar. That takes real guts. I don’t consider myself a violent man, but I don’t like being labelled a liar even if it’s only by some weasely innuendo. If circumstances were different I would make you retract your allegation.
You see I am a Canadian. Naturalized it’s true. But from what I know that still counts.
As for non-Americans finding your thread offensive, well BS does have a certain odour that transcends nationalities.
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