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  • China consumer backlash looms over Morrison's coronavirus probe

    Beijing's ambassador has warned the Morrison government that its pursuit of an independent inquiry into the coronavirus pandemic could spark a Chinese consumer boycott of students and tourists visiting Australia, as well as sales of popular agricultural exports like beef and wine.

    In an exclusive interview with The Australian Financial Review, Chinese Ambassador to Australia Cheng Jingye denounced Prime Minister Scott Morrison's push for an inquiry as "dangerous" and predicted it would fail to gain traction among global leaders.

    "Resorting to suspicion, recrimination or division at such a critical time could only undermine global efforts to fight against this pandemic," he said.

    Mr Cheng also refused to accept that the virus had started in a Wuhan "wet market", claiming the scientific jury remained out on its origins.

    Mr Morrison and Foreign Minister Marise Payne last week launched a push for an independent investigation into the origins of the coronavirus pandemic, amid accusations the world lost precious weeks to respond to the crisis because China covered up the seriousness of the disease.

    Australia also wants to see long-term reform of the World Health Organisation – which has been criticised for being pro-China – including giving it weapons inspector-like powers so it can investigate outbreaks.

    Mr Morrison has broached the issue in conversations with a number of leaders, including US President Donald Trump, French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

    UK, French and European Union officials have indicated their priority is fighting the pandemic, which has been much more serious in the northern hemisphere, but have agreed there is a need for lessons to be learnt.

    Mr Cheng, in his first comments on the COVID-19 crisis, said there would come a time for every country to look back and see how they could be better equipped to fight a future pandemic.

    "No country is perfect with dealing with such a serious epidemic," he said.

    But Mr Cheng said China disagreed with Mr Morrison's campaign for an international inquiry because it was "politically motivated" and it would detract from efforts to fight the virus.

    "It's a kind of pandering to the assertions that are made by some forces in Washington," he said. "Over a certain period of time, some guys are attempting to blame China for their problems and deflect the attention.

    "So what is being done by the Australia side? The proposition is a kind of teaming up with those forces in Washington and to launch a kind of political campaign against China."

    Asked why he thought Australia was acting at the behest of the US when Mr Morrison has publicly said he would still be pursuing an inquiry if the pandemic had broken out in other countries, Mr Cheng cited "inflammatory" comments in the media by politicians.

    With relations between Canberra and Beijing at a low ebb for much of the past three years, Mr Cheng said Mr Morrison's push for an inquiry had been ill-received by Chinese people and risked economic repercussions.

    Mr Cheng would not be drawn on whether iron ore, coal or gas exports
    would be affected by anti-Australian sentiment but indicated consumer
    products could be vulnerable.

    "The Chinese public is frustrated, dismayed and disappointed with what Australia is doing now," he said.

    "I think in the long term... if the mood is going from bad to worse, people would think 'Why should we go to such a country that is not so friendly to China? The tourists may have second thoughts.

    "The parents of the students would also think whether this place which they found is not so friendly, even hostile, whether this is the best place to send their kids here.

    "It is up to the people to decide. Maybe the ordinary people will say 'Why should we drink Australian wine? Eat Australian beef?'"

    Mr Cheng did not repeat the conspiracy theory pushed last month by the Chinese Foreign Ministry that the virus was brought into Wuhan by a US soldier but maintained there was no proof it crossed over from animals to humans in one of the country's "wet markets".

    "Some politicians here claim the virus originated in Wuhan, China, which is not the case. The fact that the epidemic first broke out in China... does not mean the source of the virus originated in China," he said.

    "The source of the virus is complex and I think a serious scientific issue that should be addressed by professionals, scientists, medical experts.

    "Pending any clear findings about the whereabouts of the virus, it's inappropriate for non-professionals to jump to any conclusions."

    Pressed to explain where he thought the virus originated, especially given that is an issue an independent inquiry could determine, Mr Cheng said it was something scientists would need to work out.

    "It's none of the business of the politicians and policymakers," he said.

    Mr Cheng said selling wild animals at markets was illegal in China and authorities had cracked down on the practice.

    Mr Cheng said China was satisfied with indications both privately and publicly that Treasurer Josh Frydenberg's changes requiring all foreign investment proposals to be examined by the Foreign Investment Review Board would be temporary and not targeted at any country.

    "I think those indications and remarks are important. Important for Australia and important for other countries," he said.

    "We expect the Australia side will continue to provide the necessary and fair and non-discriminatory treatment to Chinese companies who have an interest to invest here in accordance with our bilateral free trade agreement."

    But Mr Cheng said he was unaware of any discussions being held with the Australian government over relaxing restrictions for business travel between China and Australia, following reports of talks with neighbouring countries about allowing healthy travellers to easily cross borders.
    Threats, intimidation. Communist buggers. Democratic countries need to form an alliance, do an independent inquiry into the origins of Covid-19, and break China's financial heft. This is the best time to do it.
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    • Centre decides to withdraw faulty Covid 19 antibody test kits, cancels import orders from China

      We can't even manufacture antibody kits? The BJP government should be flogged for incrementalism of the economy. Even now, there are no policies to attract MNCs that want to diversify their base. In terms of economy, Congress as well as the BJP are two sides of the same rusted old coin. Socialist economic mentality. India will forever remain an underdeveloped country, if the mentality doesn't change.
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      • China Concerned On ICMR’s Decision To Return Rapid Test Kits

        US imposes tight restrictions on exports to China
        Last edited by Oracle; 28 Apr 20,, 16:26.
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        • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
          China consumer backlash looms over Morrison's coronavirus probe



          Threats, intimidation. Communist buggers. Democratic countries need to form an alliance, do an independent inquiry into the origins of Covid-19, and break China's financial heft. This is the best time to do it.
          Originally posted by Australia Financial Review
          Mr Cheng would not be drawn on whether iron ore, coal or gas exports would be affected by anti-Australian sentiment but indicated consumer products could be vulnerable.
          Hah! Chinese ambassador to Australia won't talk about his country's imports of those materials. Aussies are one of the few countries with a trade surplus with China precisely because of minerals exports.

          Aussie education sector is more vulnerable to any boycott.

          Why isn't India joining the Aussies and the increasingly louder chorus of others demanding the same thing.

          An enquiry into how this pandemic started.
          Last edited by Double Edge; 29 Apr 20,, 05:51.

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          • ^ India doesn't even give out a mere statement about the origins of Covid-19, while PRC needles India in and out on Kashmir, Arunachal etc. Our old strategy to wean PRC away from Pakistan is not working, but the babus seem to think it might just work some day. India's FP of managing China, punishing Pakistan and harnessing diplomatic relations with all other countries is not yielding the desired results. We don't want to go beyond the line in punishing Pakistan, nor do we seem to manage better the fractured relationship with China. Having said that, my guess is we're playing the long game w.r.t PRC. India will strive to attain enough economic clout, acquire a sophisticated offensive arsenal on the way, then decide its series of actions. Pakistan has another decade to stop exporting terrorists as prescribed by its FP, bend over, or get bombed right, left and centre.
            Last edited by Oracle; 29 Apr 20,, 14:14.
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            • here is one answer i got from a youtube discussion as to why China wanted to delay things..

              China got few days reprieve from WHO. It wanted that Trade treaty with US to be signed where it got "Force Majeure" clause to be inserted before the declaration of Health Emergency/ Pandemic. The treaty was signed on 15th of January.

              Generally this clause is not there in international treaties. It is there in commercial contacts.

              Hence, US particularly Trump feels to have been taken for a ride individually, and hence his anger.
              So I asked what benefit does China get with such a clause or lose without it. It isn't a treaty either just a deal. So neither is particularly bound to stick with it.

              China was supposed to buy $200 million worth of goods and services from US in exchange for reducing the tariffs on Chinese goods being imported by US.

              By adding Force Majeure clause, China can legally deny honouring its part of clause in case of such Pandemic.
              here we go

              Trump threatens to terminate trade deal if China does not honour it citing coronavirus crisis | ET | Apr 22 2020

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              • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                China consumer backlash looms over Morrison's coronavirus probe



                Threats, intimidation. Communist buggers. Democratic countries need to form an alliance, do an independent inquiry into the origins of Covid-19, and break China's financial heft. This is the best time to do it.
                Aussies won't back down on this one



                It's very simple. If we don't pursue this then all of us better get ready for the next pandemic after a few years, given that's the frequency with which they seem to crop up since H5N1 (avian flu), then SARS, few years later, H1N1 (swine flu) then MERS & Ebola.



                The charge is China protected itself from the virus but allowed it to spread world wide.
                Last edited by Double Edge; 30 Apr 20,, 22:48.

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                • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                  here is one answer i got from a youtube discussion as to why China wanted to delay things..

                  So I asked what benefit does China get with such a clause or lose without it. It isn't a treaty either just a deal. So neither is particularly bound to stick with it.

                  here we go

                  Trump threatens to terminate trade deal if China does not honour it citing coronavirus crisis | ET | Apr 22 2020
                  Yes, "Force Majeure" clause is for commercial contracts, like for example, between a restaurant owner and the owner of the real estate which houses the restaurant. So, the Chinese were shrewd from the start. Maybe they bio-engineered it. Nothing is sure as of now.
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                  • Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                    Yes, "Force Majeure" clause is for commercial contracts, like for example, between a restaurant owner and the owner of the real estate which houses the restaurant. So, the Chinese were shrewd from the start. Maybe they bio-engineered it. Nothing is sure as of now.
                    They want to use the crisis as a way to renege.

                    You really see a stunt like that working with Trump or any other leader for that matter : )

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                    • When you don't have a border with China, let alone contested then your have room to manouever

                      Australia to back Taiwan's return to the WHO | SMH | Apr 30 2020

                      Australia will support Taiwan's return to the World Health Organisation as an observer four years after it was ousted by Beijing, risking another diplomatic spat.
                      This is how you do it, up the frickin' ante !!

                      Taiwan tried to warn the world, their voice was not heard. We all paid as a result

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                      • China hid coronavirus' severity to hoard supplies: US Homeland Security report
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                        • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                          They want to use the crisis as a way to renege.

                          You really see a stunt like that working with Trump or any other leader for that matter : )
                          Yeah, like hell it would. These communists in the garb of capitalists are circus jokers. I have a better solution. Everytime you see a communist, hit them on their knees with a club.
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                          • US warns China of very significant consequences for not honouring trade deal

                            Internal Chinese report warns Beijing faces Tiananmen-like global backlash over virus: Sources
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                            • Hmm...if they locked down in early Jan they could have got all the supplies they wanted from the rest of the world because this virus would not have spread far. Surely they would have figured this too.

                              Does this mean by their estimation, the spread had already become unstoppable in the world at the beginning of Jan.

                              The report also says China held off informing the World Health Organization that the coronavirus "was a contagion" for much of January so it could order medical supplies from abroad — and that its imports of face masks and surgical gowns and gloves increased sharply.

                              Those conclusions are based on the 95% probability that China's changes in imports and export behavior were not within normal range, according to the report

                              Originally posted by Oracle View Post
                              Yeah, like hell it would. These communists in the garb of capitalists are circus jokers. I have a better solution. Everytime you see a communist, hit them on their knees with a club.
                              This is why he's attacking them in public. I starting to think that is all there is to it.

                              Mnuchin's warning to China came a day after President Donald Trump said that he will terminate the trade deal with Chin, if they do not honour the commitment of buying an additional USD 200 billion worth of agricultural products from the US.
                              Those agricultural products are directly tied to Trump's re-election prospects.
                              Last edited by Double Edge; 05 May 20,, 07:47.

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                              • Coronavirus survivors want answers, and China is silencing them
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