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  • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
    I don't think so. KJU does not trust his corps commanders with nukes and therefore already store his nukes in component form just in case anyone gets any ideas. He has to put them together first and that takes time, time he may not have.
    So if he can't actually use his nukes, what's his play? Tell the DMZ to hold on tight even if encircled, and wait for a nuke to drop in hopefully a few days?

    If the US is hitting his nuke infrastructure, how can he even getting the weapons assembled?

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    • The KPA are Soviet/Russian/Chinese influenced with 10% of their forces on warfooting at any given time (not so with current nukes at the moment for a variety of reasons). They're reliant on a crisis build up to give them forewarning to mobilize their forces. The Chinese had gotten theirs down to 2 hours to mate warhead to missiles. So, if the NKs got their act together (read not now they don't), then they could in theory put together a nuke in a matter of hours.
      Chimo

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      • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
        The KPA are Soviet/Russian/Chinese influenced with 10% of their forces on warfooting at any given time (not so with current nukes at the moment for a variety of reasons). They're reliant on a crisis build up to give them forewarning to mobilize their forces. The Chinese had gotten theirs down to 2 hours to mate warhead to missiles. So, if the NKs got their act together (read not now they don't), then they could in theory put together a nuke in a matter of hours.
        So bottom line in case of full scale SK invasion look for Kim to use nukes within first 24 hours?

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        • As of right now, I don't expect any use of nukes. All KJU got right now are terror weapons. The KPA has not been seen drilling on how to deliver nukes. So, it is not within a military setting that the nukes will be deliver but via a terror method. What that means I do not currently know but as of today, no ICBM is going to hit the US conventional or otherwise, mainly because the KPA has not been drilling on how to launch rockets under wartime conditions.

          That may change in the future but as of right now, his nukes are for show, not for use.
          Chimo

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          • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
            As of right now, I don't expect any use of nukes. All KJU got right now are terror weapons. The KPA has not been seen drilling on how to deliver nukes. So, it is not within a military setting that the nukes will be deliver but via a terror method. What that means I do not currently know but as of today, no ICBM is going to hit the US conventional or otherwise, mainly because the KPA has not been drilling on how to launch rockets under wartime conditions.

            That may change in the future but as of right now, his nukes are for show, not for use.
            Do we actually know if he has a warhead that could be mounted on a SRBM?

            If there are refugee flows moving toward ROK forces, could they get one delivered as a suicide car bomb?

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            • The KPA has not developed an accurate re-entry vehicle for nukes. Terror delivery methods maybe KJU's only reliable delivery means but I doubt they will try to smuggle it through with the flow of refugees. The Military Police would be searching every vehicle that would go through them.

              They might use a smuggler's route or try via sea.
              Chimo

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              • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                The KPA has not developed an accurate re-entry vehicle for nukes. Terror delivery methods maybe KJU's only reliable delivery means but I doubt they will try to smuggle it through with the flow of refugees. The Military Police would be searching every vehicle that would go through them.

                They might use a smuggler's route or try via sea.
                Could they do any significant damage if they detonate it at the first check point?

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                • I predict that in the near future, OOE is going to link to Stuart Slade's nuclear warfare 101.

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                  • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                    As of right now, I don't expect any use of nukes. All KJU got right now are terror weapons. The KPA has not been seen drilling on how to deliver nukes. So, it is not within a military setting that the nukes will be deliver but via a terror method. What that means I do not currently know but as of today, no ICBM is going to hit the US conventional or otherwise, mainly because the KPA has not been drilling on how to launch rockets under wartime conditions.

                    That may change in the future but as of right now, his nukes are for show, not for use.
                    What about bio and chemical weapons ?

                    NK's plan is take Seoul in 3 days and the peninsula in 7

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                    • Originally posted by citanon View Post
                      Could they do any significant damage if they detonate it at the first check point?
                      A platoon of MPs?
                      Chimo

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                      • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                        What about bio and chemical weapons ?
                        Not enough massing. Assad and Saddam needed 3 days of constant attacks to achieve significant death tools. KJU doesn't have days.

                        Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                        NK's plan is take Seoul in 3 days and the peninsula in 7
                        Only in KJU's mind.
                        Chimo

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                        • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                          Not enough massing. Assad and Saddam needed 3 days of constant attacks to achieve significant death tools. KJU doesn't have days.
                          You said he has terror weapons. Imagine the impact in a population center with chems.

                          Didn't think Saddam used any chems in 2003. Maybe you are referring to earlier attacks on his people. eg. Halabja in 1988

                          There is no guarantee KJU won't use any chems. A complicating factor ?

                          Only in KJU's mind.
                          yes
                          Last edited by Double Edge; 19 Mar 18,, 16:01.

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                          • Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                            You said he has terror weapons. Imagine the impact in a population center with chems.
                            Straight HE would inflict more damage and casualties. The main effect of terror weapons is panic but you're already talking about a population at war. Panic would already be there before the first biochem attack.

                            Originally posted by Double Edge View Post
                            Didn't think Saddam used any chems in 2003. Maybe you are referring to earlier attacks on his people. eg. Halabja in 1988

                            There is no guarantee KJU won't use any chems. A complicating factor ?
                            The point about biochems is that it takes days of bombardment to have a noticeable effect. KJU doesn't have days of bombardment. He has at best a few hours.
                            Chimo

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                            • Originally posted by WABs_OOE View Post
                              KJU doesn't have days of bombardment. He has at best a few hours.
                              With fixed artillery pieces. What about mobile launchers. How many rockets can rain down on Seoul before they are neutralised. Can THAAD handle the barrage

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                              • Again, days of constant bombardment. Any mobile launch site would be neutralized in a matter of minutes by overhead F-16s.
                                Chimo

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