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Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View PostThe Taliban were not the 'enemy' in 2001 - an 'enemy' would not have made public statements condemning the 9/11 attacks:
CNN.com - Taliban diplomat condemns attacks - September 12, 2001
Yassir Arafat made numerous and incessant statements condemning suicide bombings and terror attacks in Israel, but it is a proven fact that he himself was behind an absolute majority of the terror attacks committed while he was in power.
Believe it or not, people have developed the ability to lie.....Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
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Originally posted by Mihais View PostWhich is common knowledge around the world.Yet AM just didn't knew.Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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Originally posted by TopHatter View PostI'm terribly sorry, it's difficult to refute "1+1=3" And just as pointless. So, for that matter, is debating with you.
Once again, you're asking me to prove things like gravity. I gave up on you days ago. I'm simply laughing at you now. And in case you missed it, the vast majority of the board is too.
Or as people smarter than me have described you: "AM is an obnoxious liar, a facile rewriter of recent history"..."he's has taken obfuscation and dissemblance to heretofore unimagined heights."
I could only dream of writing so well.Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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Originally posted by bigross86 View PostJust wanna get my two cents in before this thread is locked due to excessive repetition:
Yassir Arafat made numerous and incessant statements condemning suicide bombings and terror attacks in Israel, but it is a proven fact that he himself was behind an absolute majority of the terror attacks committed while he was in power.
Believe it or not, people have developed the ability to lie.....
Yes, it is entirely possible that the Taliban ambassador was lying outright, it is also possible that he was not lying and was kept out of the decision making loop by Mullah Omar and the senior Taliban leadership in order to present an acceptable face to the world. You cannot merely claim 'Zaeef was lying' without additional facts to back it up, and those additional facts were the Mullah Omar and Saudi intelligence chief's interviews detailing Mullah Omar's position on the issue of extraditing OBL.Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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Allow me to present my good friend, Dr. Gregory House:
True, to argue that "because someone lied once, everyone lies all the time" is a fallacious argument, but to try and find excuses instead of just accepting Occam's Razor that he's a damned liar is also fallacious, a waste of time, and an insult to everyone's intelligence, ours if you think we're that dumb, yours if you think we're that dumb.Attached FilesMeddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
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Originally posted by bigross86 View PostTrue, to argue that "because someone lied once, everyone lies all the time" is a fallacious argument, but to try and find excuses instead of just accepting Occam's Razor that he's a damned liar is also fallacious
The only 'insult to ones intelligence' is the charade you and some others are putting on here now after Minskaya found facts to refute the argument that the US did not pursue negotiations completely - prior to that I saw little other than a torrent of abuse, rants and opinion.Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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Refute completely? Are you a fucking idiot. Never mind. You are. Omar himself stated that he refused to enter negotiations even before 11 Sept and we cruise missiled OBL's camp in Afghanistan. That is open knowledge. They didn't give up OBL back then or even kick him out of the country. Now, you're coming up with this bullshit that somehow the Taliban would be willing to give OBL up for 11 Sept. If the Taliban didn't give him up for the African Embassies bombing, only a fucking idiot would believe tht they would give him up for 11 Sept.
For fuck sakes, they didn't even arrest the ************, nor even put him in protective custody. Hell, they didn't even ask him to leave. Instead, they allowed him to fortify his camp.
Guess what? You're a fucking fool.Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 20 Jun 13,, 13:50.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostGuess what? You're a fucking fool.Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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Originally posted by Parihaka View PostIf these negotiations succeed in giving the tail bunnies a degree of autonomy in the southern provinces but under a watchful brief by the Afghan govt. (and the odd drone) then the TB are more likely to concentrate on solidifying their gains in Afghanistan's southern provinces and Pakistan's western ones, and given Pakistan's proclivities are more likely set for conflict against Pakistan than against Afghanistan: a kind of sub-state, straddling two borders and ignoring the Durand Line.
What lies in store for the Taliban and Afghanistan post 2014.
The past is done.
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Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View PostIf that statement of Mullah Omar's was common knowledge to all of you, why did none of you post it earlier?
Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View PostNonsense - I doubt you had any clue about that interview prior to Minskaya discovering it because if you had you would have posted it to refute my argument instead of ranting and hurling abuse this entire time.
Again, posting abuse and ad-hominems instead of facts to counter an argument only illustrates your (and/or whoever wrote that garbage) ignorance until Minskaya dug out the details, and now you want to ride on her coat-tails and pretend to have known the information she posted all along.
Originally posted by Chogy View PostI don't know about the other mods, but I'm going to give this one more morning. Morning for me, that is. ;)
If subsequent posts contain new, meaningful, or relevatory material, the thread lives. If not, it's locked.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by TopHatter View PostBecause you're such an expert on the Taliban and their intentions, we were waiting for you to post it.
Yes yes, I know, we're all entitled to your delusions.
Don't count on it. Agnostic Muslim is once again busily proving how clever he thinks he is.Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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Originally posted by Agnostic Muslim View PostYes, keep posting BS instead of the facts necessary to refute an argument ...
Are you actually going to try and argue that the a significant part of your posts were little other than abuse filled rants and that you never mentioned the VoA and Der Spiegel interviews till Minskaya's post?
The debate over whether the US exhausted the possibility of negotiations with the Taliban is done from my end - again, read post# 169 - I am pretty sure I used simple English that even you could understand. What is going on now is disingenuous attempts on the part of you and some others to act as if you had been aware of the Mullah Omar and Prince Turki interview all this time, despite never one referencing it till Minskaya did so.
Trying to refute, debate or argue with you is like talking to a brick wall or a pile of dirt...and just as pointless and productive.
The only disingenuous thing on this thread is you. But you'd better keep using simple English that even I can understand.“He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”
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Originally posted by TopHatter View PostNo, I already told you, I'm done with you. You presented (and still present) yourself as some kind of expert on the Taliban, their intentions and why the U.S. should've negotiated with them. Everything you've posted flies in the face of conventional wisdom and historical fact.
Trying to refute, debate or argue with you is like talking to a brick wall or a pile of dirt...and just as pointless and productive.
The only disingenuous thing on this thread is you. But you'd better keep using simple English that even I can understand.Pakistan is not going to be a theocratic state to be ruled by priests with a divine mission - Jinnah
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