64 dead in Samjhauta Express : Terror Attack ?

[Akshay]

1. I never said that we should not blame islamic militants for such attacks. All I said was to take all factors into account and not to jump to conclusions, like in past. So, to emphasise this point I tried to put forward the minority opinion of hindu extremists being involved.

There can be several permutational possibilities linking to this incident. It could also be a US attempt to derail Indo-Pak peace process & thereby derailing the India-Iran gas pipeline. Sounds rather preposterous but a possibility nevertheless only if we are letting our hourses run wild in the meadows of imagination.

You could be true but there hasn't been a history of "Hindu Extremists" indulging into terror attacks. Someone making fiery right wing political statements doesn't mean that he can pull out a gun & shoot somebody. If so then I can doubt all Mullahs & Maulanas to be murdering jehadi terrorists who at some point in their lives must've certainly spoken against Kaffirs.

2. I feel ashamed that I am part of such system which is partly responsible for such attacks. People have to take blame for these attacks. Its a democracy, we elect our leaders, so we are in a way responsible for there actions. What do u expect, when caste and religion are bigger poll issues for people than lets say corruption or national security. If it was a dictatorship, then thats another story. Just look at US. After 9/11 national security became the biggest public issue, which motivated political capital to be invest in it, almost opposite of what happens in india. Couple of condolences for victims and some remarks on terrorist/peace process and our politicians think that there job is done. Why should'nt they, when public is fine with it, so are they.

Good point!!! But unfortunately we arn't US. Security is a sort of non-issue in our regard. How many precautions have been taken after 7/11 Mumbai blasts? For security we need to pay more taxes but how do you expect one to pay for security if government doesn't even collect enough tax to build proper roads & provide 24 hrs electricity?

[Samudra]

Yeah, Osama could have made that same argument if they didn't have enough evidence that he slammed the planes...

"We have never done it before, so why would we do it?"

Tronic,

Whenever you feel like posting something like what you have did in this thread please remember to take a break, catch your breath and come back maybe a few hours later.

Most of the times I find that you have the least idea of what you're talking about and keep harping about something for the sake of it. Be it about the LTTE or the topic of this thread. It comes across as very childish.

Dont take it personal, just some plainspeak.

There is only one organisation capable of supporting such bomb attacks in the Indian hinterland. Others do manage to stage some 'spectacular attacks' from time to time but you can really tell who did something by the modus operandi, explosive used, target and by keeping track of similar explosions in the past etc etc . All it takes is a little commensense and willingness to learn.

[Ray]

It was a terror attack.

It is rather far fetched to assume that it was targeted on country specific coaches. The train was a mixed bag.

The aim of the attack was very simple - to derail whatever little that has been positive in the Indo Pak dialogue.

Let the inquiry take place so that one could know fundamentalists of which religion or cause was behind the issue.

Till then, I presume we have to live with fevered minds speculating as heatedly and fast as casino punters in Macao island.

In so far as the ISI or intelligence is concerned, they have their national aim foremost over such minor issues as who shall die in their pursuit of that national aim. Therefore, the idea that there will be Pakistanis and so they will not attack is quite loopy an argument.

[brokensickle]

Dont blame us in the USA for your problem! Cheap Shot!

There can be several permutational possibilities linking to this incident. It could also be a US attempt to derail Indo-Pak peace process & thereby derailing the India-Iran gas pipeline. Sounds rather preposterous but a possibility nevertheless only if we are letting our hourses run wild in the meadows of imagination.

You could be true but there hasn't been a history of "Hindu Extremists" indulging into terror attacks. Someone making fiery right wing political statements doesn't mean that he can pull out a gun & shoot somebody. If so then I can doubt all Mullahs & Maulanas to be murdering jehadi terrorists who at some point in their lives must've certainly spoken against Kaffirs.



Good point!!! But unfortunately we arn't US. Security is a sort of non-issue in our regard. How many precautions have been taken after 7/11 Mumbai blasts? For security we need to pay more taxes but how do you expect one to pay for security if government doesn't even collect enough tax to build proper roads & provide 24 hrs electricity?

You leftist commies blame America for all your problems. Take heart and find the perpetrator, but don't blame the USA for all your fires in town.


Ivan

[Akshay]

You leftist commies blame America for all your problems. Take heart and find the perpetrator, but don't blame the USA for all your fires in town.


Ivan

Go home, fetch your common sense & read the sarcasm.

[brokensickle]

Sarcasm??????????????????????????????

Go home, fetch your common sense & read the sarcasm.

I'll just have to take your word that you spoke sarcastically. Even though there was not a hint that it was so. Use Russia as the brunt of your sarcasm as it would make a bit more since, as subversion is the way of the leftist commies. :)



Ivan the Irascible

[MarquezRazor]

I'll just have to take your word that you spoke sarcastically. Even though there was not a hint that it was so.

Naah I think he was being sarcastic.

only if we are letting our hourses run wild in the meadows of imagination.

[brokensickle]

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Naah I think he was being sarcastic.

QUOTE: It could also be a US attempt to derail Indo-Pak peace process & thereby derailing the India-Iran gas pipeline. Sounds rather preposterous but a possibility nevertheless only if we are letting our hourses run wild in the meadows of imagination.



If you read his full paragraph it reads like he wants to raise that probability in the imagination. It reads much like the liberal garbage in the press here in America.
Why even postulate such rubbish out of whole cloth anyway? Seems out of place. But I will take his word until further notice.:)


Ivan

[saambaarblast]

QUOTE: It could also be a US attempt to derail Indo-Pak peace process & thereby derailing the India-Iran gas pipeline. Sounds rather preposterous but a possibility nevertheless only if we are letting our hourses run wild in the meadows of imagination.



If you read his full paragraph it reads like he wants to raise that probability in the imagination. It reads much like the liberal garbage in the press here in America.
Why even postulate such rubbish out of whole cloth anyway? Seems out of place. But I will take his word until further notice.:)


Ivan

Let me take this opportunity to condemn my fellow citizens to even think about it in our dreams and that too for the sake of negating an argument and for sarcasm. I hope MOAB's are not headed our way.

Our Apopologies.:)

[brokensickle]

No MOAB"S.

Let me take this opportunity to condemn my fellow citizens to even think about it in our dreams and that too for the sake of negating an argument and for sarcasm. I hope MOAB's are not headed our way.

Our Apopologies.:)

Sarcasm? or Loose Cannon? But your apologies are well taken.:)


Ivan

[gamercube]

Some people here are utterly ignorant about Bal Thackeray and the Shiv Sena's history, yet they keep talking as if they know everything about them! Some claim that the worse that the SS did was dig up cricket pitches.....only someone talking out of their ass or who is totally ignorant of the situation can do that.

Thackeray and his SS were professional goons for the Congress party in the 1960s and 70s. The SS was used by Congress to terrorise the workers unions which were coming under the influence of the socialists. It culminated in the murder in broad daylight of Krishna Desai, one of the most prominent union leaders. This murder was committed by Shiv Sena goons, but as always, Thackeray got away by saying that he had no knowledge of the situation. Then, in the early 1990s, a person named Ramesh Kini was murdered, again by SS goons because of some landlord-tenant dispute. Unfortunately for Mr Kini, the landlord was close to Thackeray. Thackeray's role in the 1992 riots is also well known. These are just a few cases that I've stated.

I know what it is like in Maharashtra, because I've grown up there. Anyone who is affiliated to the SS can bully anyone else for anything. If you have an argument with a SS member, expect to get beaten up by his gang, or your vehicles or property damaged. Going to the police is useless, because the police have been bought by the SS. They regularly come to businesses or homes before festivals to ask for "donations". Only a fool would refuse to pay them.

The cardinal rule is to stay clear of any SS members, or you'll end up either in hospital or worse still, dead.

[subba]

Good point!!! But unfortunately we arn't US. Security is a sort of non-issue in our regard. How many precautions have been taken after 7/11 Mumbai blasts?

Akshay Sir, frankly i find security not too bad here. Even before 911 happened, airport security was very tight here. It was lax in the US and the West. Port security in India is very very tight. The problem is we have too many soft targets available. It would be impossible for example to run Mumbai locals if we were to check each and every bag of every passenger.

I'm sure Ray sir could corroborate more, but security is a management system that has to evolve on a continual basis. What is needed for any management system eg security in this scenario is the committment to implement measures, document them and evolve further. That does happen here. The committment is there too.

Without this committment i doubt we would have ensured Punjab was eradicated of terrorism, Kashmir was stable, NE is stable and a hundred other potential trouble spots in the country are actually pretty peaceful.

Brokensickle sir:

If you read his full paragraph it reads like he wants to raise that probability in the imagination. It reads much like the liberal garbage in the press here in America.

Sir i am afraid you have misunderstood Akshays Sir post by miles. In no way he said US is a threat. But there were some people here on this thread who were adamant in saying Hindu groups should be investigated. In sarcasm even i had replied earlier yes 'why not investigate the Dalai Lama, the White house too. We investigate Islamic terrorists last.'

Same vein did Akshay sir respond by bringing a stretched IPI link. By not reading into the context i think you've taken on Akshay sir quite unjustly.

IMHO Sambaar should'nt be doling you out any apology, least not on my behalf. ;)

[Srirangan]

Ivan, we are subtle.

But I agree, Bush did it!

;)

[Archer]

Ok well, discuss this to the nail... and yeah you are right.. it must be the Islamists, Hindu Extremists are peaceful people, don't bother investigating them... ;)

well, goodnight all.

Dude this is silly, you keep raising false analogies and putting words in other peoples mouths- who claimed Hindu extremists are "peaceful"? The point is that they are nowhere near jihadis either. When was the last time in sixty years, that any Hindu group committed an act of terrorism using RDX etc? You are simply attributing ties where none exist.

If a Hindu group claimed it would kill Pakistanis on Indian soil, had a record of using RDX, bombs etc- it deserves being investigated. Otherwise, its uncessary as both groups, Islamists and Hindus are being placed on an equal pedestal, when there is no comparison, especially when the LeT et al are professional terrorists.

Nitin Jindal,

Godhra was an act of terrorism, per the Gujarat police. Its aftermath ie the riots were a pure law and order issue and of criminality, not terrorism in the context of how the word is increasingly used the world over. Eg the events post the Rodney King incident were also a case of mob violence, not terrorism. But Timothy Mc Veighs acts were terrorism. The reason is straightforward, terrorism is normally used to depict acts against the state and its representatives and not internal strife alone.

[Archer]

Haha.. arrey tum neh toh bachearey Dalai Lama koh Bal Thackeray key saat kadha kardiyah... ok, I am going to leave now, maybe tomorrow, I have multiple migranes right now, bye.

See my edited post- ie does India interrogate Buddhists when the Mumbai bomb blasts occured? After all, TN is in India, and Sinhala Buddhists in Sri Lanka have issues with Tamilians. Is this logical?
Or a waste of public time and money? And an unecessary slam on Buddhists.