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Indian student accused of sedition 'beaten up by lawyers'
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Originally posted by Cactus View PostYou are clearly mistaking me for Blademaster, and I thought we were friends :-\
Sorry mate, it's been a long while!
I believe when I was more active here, you were absent for quite some time! Now, managing multiple engineering projects gives me little time to post and correspond with old acquaintances resulting in goof ups like these!Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
-Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry
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Originally posted by Doktor View PostTrading rights for security? Some pesky westerner had to say something about itLast edited by Tronic; 22 Feb 16,, 01:39.Cow is the only animal that not only inhales oxygen, but also exhales it.
-Rekha Arya, Former Minister of Animal Husbandry
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Apparently these goons beat up the accused in police custody
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/e.../1/602690.html
EXCLUSIVE: Kanhaiya wet his pants while we beat him up in police custody, say lawyers behind Patiala House assault
A sting operation by India Today has unearthed shocking details on the assault on JNUSU President Kanhaiya Kumar and journalists, while Kumar was being produced in the Patiala House court on February 15.
New Delhi, February 22, 2016 | Posted by Avarnita Mathur | UPDATED 09:04 IST
An exclusive India Today operation today unearthed shocking details on the assault on JNUSU President Kanhaiya Kumar and journalists, while Kumar was being produced in the Patiala House court on February 15.
In a sting operation recorded by our cameras, lawyers in Delhi's Patiala House court have owned up to the brazen assault. In the video below, they admit gleefully that Kanhaiya was beaten up even when he was in police custody. None of these lawyers have been arrested."Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
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Originally posted by gunnut View PostFunny how Indian students are fighting for free speech rights while American students are trying to restrain free speech.No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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Originally posted by anil View Post^ The common student is hardly interested in politics. Most just want to get through college with a degree worthy for the job market.
Majority of the universities(student and management) do not fiddle with politics. Most are stable."Only Nixon can go to China." -- Old Vulcan proverb.
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Originally posted by anil View Post^ The common student is hardly interested in politics. Most just want to get through college with a degree worthy for the job market.
Majority of the universities(student and management) do not fiddle with politics. Most are stable.Chimo
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Originally posted by Tronic View PostI avoided commenting on the growing antics of authorities in India but the past year or so has really painted a clear picture of the priorities of the Hindu nationalists in power. We went from secularist figures being replaced by Hindu nationalists as heads of public institutions to government ministers being vocally empathetic towards the murderers lynching alleged beef eaters, and now students being arrested (and then beaten up in a courthouse) for a peaceful protest.
Look at things critically. Don't form an opinion a priori and then wait for events to confirm it.
There is always some crap or the other happening in the country. See Haryana. Very good timing for a stir, before elections when no party is going to refuse whatever crazy demands some people have and are willing to get them even at gun point.
'Indian student leader accused of sedition 'beaten up by lawyers'
they know he's going to get let off. they have squat on him.
if lawyers resort to such behaviour you just know they're going to lose :DLast edited by Double Edge; 25 Feb 16,, 00:10.
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Originally posted by Tronic View PostThe short term solution; stand up against oppression and for individual liberties whenever they are oppressed. Educate people on what individual freedoms mean.
That's my 2 cents.
if the govt cracks down on protests like this it comes back in a more virulent manner. Becomes a bigger PITA for them. The same applies for right wing student groups.
No right and wrong, facts, pfft. Perception. That's what its all about. keep tweaking it for effect. Both sides.
Originally posted by Cactus View PostCome on, Tronic, you are an engineer -- what is all this liberalism, age of enlightenment, fighting the Man, blah, blah, blah BS? The government has a contract with you -- all you need it do is deliver a minimum viable product, within the defined tolerance specs, on time and on budget. If you get a contractor to build you a bathroom, would you allow him to debate the pros/cons of different kitchen cabinets with your gf/wife? Do Indians really need to know about John Locke or Voltaire to avoid going down that road?
Arts has taken a nosedive in favour of hard sciences.
Kids have to learn and see what freedom means and the way to do that is by practicing. Maybe its stupid what they say but they should be allowed to say it.
As far as the sedition business goes, unless it leads to incitment there is no case. That is how the case law has developed. Why they can't use this for speech like in the US i don't know. The foundation is already there. Do away with sedition and modify speech, done.
But no govt wants to remove sedition because its as useful today as it was when the Brits enacted it.Last edited by Double Edge; 25 Feb 16,, 12:05.
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Originally posted by gunnut View PostPray your schools don't descend into the piles of socialist garbage that ours turned into.
Originally posted by Double Edge View PostThe more ideas the better. The best place for qualified liberals is in many and distributed halls of learning.
That JNU was not always politicised may come as a surprise to many. “The Left was opposed to the establishment of such a university,” says Batabyal, who has authored a book on the history of JNU. “They felt it was too elitist.” In the initial years after its inception in 1969, student politics hardly went beyond informal discussion.
The first brush with Left politics came with the violent linguistic agitations and the Naxalite violence that shook academic institutions in West Bengal, Andhra Pradesh and Maharashtra. At the time, JNU provided a safe haven to scholars from universities in the affected states. ‘It was offering space to an intellectual class who would envision academia not as an extension of the state or the government department, but as a habitus of both mind and body,’ writes Batabyal in his book. With the setting up of the School of Social Sciences in 1970, and the School of International Studies, SIS, in 1955 (it was merged with JNU in 1970), the flavour of the university changed perceptibly. The new faculty wore their radical politics on their sleeves. ... From the standpoint of the CPM (i.e: Communist Party of India, Marxist), JNU was like a clean slate where it did not have to fight it out with the likes of the Chhatra Parishad in West Bengal, the National Students’ Union of India in Kerala, the socialists and the RSS in UP and Rajasthan.
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostKids have to learn and see what freedom means and the way to do that is by practicing. Maybe its stupid what they say but they should be allowed to say it.
The left is foolish.
These episodes have ended up plain polarizing the people. Even those kids disinterested in politics have been left abruptly infuriated through gossips and circulations in the social media. It has become a fight between the ordinary vs the fanatic left. The right wing has been affected positively and has checked itself out. Rahul gandhi was quietly told to shut up by mukherjee(INC patriarch) but the left is severely handicapped by its own ideology and too miserable to look back and understand or introspect.Last edited by anil; 28 Feb 16,, 20:38.
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Right to freedom of expression ....
Some guys get in and stay amongst your comrades. They shout slogans of sedition and death to the motherland. You don't confront and lay your hands and legs on them.
Some guys get mad at all these and on YOU. They confront you and lay there hands and legs on you. Some cops see but do nothing. You cry Bloody Murder.
You sleep with Dogs ... You get Fleas.
Now carry onsigpicAnd on the sixth day, God created the Field Artillery...
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