So? 2 million French and Belgians surrendered to the Germans in WWII
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To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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So, has anyone mentioned Manzikert in 1071? After centuries of Byzantine dominance of the Eastern Mediterranean this battle set the scene for what would become the Ottoman Empire and the rise of Mohamed-ism as a dominant force in Africa and Anatolia.If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostYou're an idiot.
We were outclassed, outnumbered, and outpositioned in Europe up until the Reagan years. Hell, we were even outnuked. No one disputes that. Potential is not tanks on the ground. Factories making Mustangs ain't going to turn around to build tanks overnight. The T-64 outclass every tank in the NATO arsenal at the time.If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.
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We were two entirely different systems. They rehearse their battles. We train for contingencies. What this means that at the brigade and battalion level, we had a hell of a lot more initiatives but if they read us right, then they could be bring appropriate forces to bear without worrying about how we will react.
I will use the reserves as an example. For them, they have 7 men on the attack while keeping 1 in reserve. We keep 4 men upfront while keeping 1 back. This means for 100 men, they have 88 men on the attack while keeping 12 in reserve. We will have 75 men up front while keeping 25 in reserve.
If they rehearse the battle correctly, then, their 88 men will swamp our 75. If we can hold them and bring forth our reserves, then, they are at a disadvantage having inferior re-enforcements.
Thing is, during the period in question, given their numbers and at times, technological superiority, and we assume that their officers are just as good as ours and their training on par with us, we can't see them not swarming us.
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col yu,
Thing is, during the period in question, given their numbers and at times, technological superiority, and we assume that their officers are just as good as ours and their training on par with us, we can't see them not swarming us.
i forget how long it would have taken for NATO to start throwing nukes. C2 would break down shortly thereafter with hundreds of tac nukes flying followed by thousands of ICBMs.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostWe were two entirely different systems. They rehearse their battles. We train for contingencies. What this means that at the brigade and battalion level, we had a hell of a lot more initiatives but if they read us right, then they could be bring appropriate forces to bear without worrying about how we will react.
I will use the reserves as an example. For them, they have 7 men on the attack while keeping 1 in reserve. We keep 4 men upfront while keeping 1 back. This means for 100 men, they have 88 men on the attack while keeping 12 in reserve. We will have 75 men up front while keeping 25 in reserve.
If they rehearse the battle correctly, then, their 88 men will swamp our 75. If we can hold them and bring forth our reserves, then, they are at a disadvantage having inferior re-enforcements.
Thing is, during the period in question, given their numbers and at times, technological superiority, and we assume that their officers are just as good as ours and their training on par with us, we can't see them not swarming us."There is never enough time to do or say all the things that we would wish. The thing is to try to do as much as you can in the time that you have. Remember Scrooge, time is short, and suddenly, you're not there any more." -Ghost of Christmas Present, Scrooge
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Originally posted by Stitch View PostIsn't this essentially what happened in Korea in 1951 vis-a-vis the Chinese?Those who know don't speak
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostWe were two entirely different systems. They rehearse their battles. We train for contingencies. What this means that at the brigade and battalion level, we had a hell of a lot more initiatives but if they read us right, then they could be bring appropriate forces to bear without worrying about how we will react.
If they rehearse the battle correctly, then, their 88 men will swamp our 75. If we can hold them and bring forth our reserves, then, they are at a disadvantage having inferior re-enforcements.
Thing is, during the period in question, given their numbers and at times, technological superiority, and we assume that their officers are just as good as ours and their training on par with us, we can't see them not swarming us.If you are emotionally invested in 'believing' something is true you have lost the ability to tell if it is true.
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Originally posted by Monash View PostI get the point about their numbers and the 'presumed' capability of their officers but what about their NCO's. I thought their military system relied heavily on the Officer Class with little or no development of their NCO's. By the way does anyone have any idea what the impact the 'Political Officers' would have had on the overall effectiveness of the Warsaw Pact combat Units? (Setting aside Tom Clancy for the moment. :) )
The main issue with the lack of NCO's was that it made military service a miserable experience for many recruits.Those who know don't speak
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
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Originally posted by Mihais View PostNone.The days of the comissars were gone by 1942-43.As for the junior officers,these were at least young and mostly enthusiastic.
The main issue with the lack of NCO's was that it made military service a miserable experience for many recruits.
Almost forgot. In JNA, one couldn't go beyond Major if they didn't pass some totally required stuff like Marxism and similar.No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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