Stonewall Jackson hadn't been shot and killed at Chancellorsville? How would the outcome of the Civil War been affected, or has his legend superceded what his impact would have been?
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Originally posted by Shek View PostStonewall Jackson hadn't been shot and killed at Chancellorsville? How would the outcome of the Civil War been affected, or has his legend superceded what his impact would have been?
Even if the AoP survives, and faces off against Lee at Gettysburg two months later...who here thinks that Jackson, tactical master with a peerles eye for key terrain, would've let the Federals beat him to the top of Culp's Hill, while he was closer, had more troops, and was unimpeded?
Whether there would've been any further errors during that battle cannot be known, of course, but I feel completely confident that Jackson would've instantly seen that Culp's was the Confederate's left-flank key to the entire Federal line along Cemetary Hill, just as the Round Tops were the key on the right. And with Jackson on Culp's I cannot see any possible way Meade sticks to the Cemetary Hill line at all. The battle MUST have taken on a completely different character if that had happened, possibly one of pursuit of a Federal army that had just taken a whale of a beating that first day. And remember: every step BACK from Gettysburg for the Federal army was a step AWAY from Washington, too: Lee was effectively on the DC side of the battlefield, so if Meade yields...
So in the two battles immediately following his fall, I believe the impact would've been, if not decisive, VERY dam' important.Last edited by Bluesman; 09 Nov 07,, 09:26.
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lwarmonger,
Has anyone here read Harry Turtledoves Great War, American Empire, and Settling Accounts series? Not quite the same thing, but interesting novels.There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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bluesman,
well, i reckon if Jackson survived there wouldn't have been a battle of gettysburg- once the butterfly flaps its wings, things start a-changin'. :))
again going on a tangent, have you read newt gingrich and william forstchen's "gettysburg" series? quite an interesting premise- they submit that if the union had lost gettysburg, the war would have ended almost a full year earlier...with a union victoryThere is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov
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[QUOTE=astralis;424845]bluesman,
well, i reckon if Jackson survived there wouldn't have been a battle of gettysburg- once the butterfly flaps its wings, things start a-changin'. :))
again going on a tangent, have you read newt gingrich and william forstchen's "gettysburg" series? quite an interesting premise- they submit that if the union had lost gettysburg, the war would have ended almost a full year earlier...with a union victory
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And back to the original topic, I think it is very likely that another victory would have spelt either the collapse of the AoP, or at the very least complete demoralization. There are only so many times an army can lose decisively to a smaller force and still have confidence in one's leadership (the Soviets were "helped" by the NKVD in that department).
After that, the South would have to be recognized as an independent nation (what happened out west wasn't actually that critical in the first stages of the war... both European and American eyes were focused east of the mountains).
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