I have been reading about the willingness to be martyred during the mid 3rd century then again under Diocletian and it is so different than the attitude of 5and 6th century christiandom toward arianism and monophysites. It makes me think that maybe the issue with christian violence is the exact same as muslim violence. As long as it was a state religon it couldn't tolerate dissent and state's that were theocratic in nature were hostile to non believers.
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The thing is once disengaged from the state apparatus christianity became much more tolerant. I wonder if the same wouldnt be true of Islam. Maybe christianities past has a lesson inthere. Look at Turkey's secular history.Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost.”
~Ronald Reagan
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Originally posted by Roosveltrepub View PostI have been reading about the willingness to be martyred during the mid 3rd century then again under Diocletian and it is so different than the attitude of 5and 6th century christiandom toward arianism and monophysites. It makes me think that maybe the issue with christian violence is the exact same as muslim violence. As long as it was a state religon it couldn't tolerate dissent and state's that were theocratic in nature were hostile to non believers.
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Originally posted by Roosveltrepub View PostThe thing is once disengaged from the state apparatus christianity became much more tolerant. I wonder if the same wouldnt be true of Islam. Maybe christianities past has a lesson inthere. Look at Turkey's secular history.In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility.
Leibniz
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I am going to be picky.
Christianity is not an organized church; it's a guide for living. No religion is an organization.
The Catholic (universal) church evolved into a organization primarily to be an arbiter of what the teachings meant. There had been problems from the very beginning with misunderstandings of what the teachings meant. Many of Paul's letters in the New Testament were written to correct misinterpretations.
In any case, we ought to distinguish between defenders of the faith and the faith itself. Among the former were a good number of intolerant, cruel and violent men. But they stands in contrast to Christian teaching, which itself is
a way notable for tolerance, non-violence, and love of neighbor.To be Truly ignorant, Man requires an Education - Plato
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Originally posted by kato View PostArianic, Nicene (protocatholic), Orthodox, Lutheran and pretty much every other Christian denomination too at some point in the last 2,000 years...
a) Wars started because the church asked for them or started it
b) Rulers who started wars over religious issuesNo such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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Don't know about the other churches, but am not aware the Orthodox ever called for war, can you please enlight me?No such thing as a good tax - Churchill
To make mistakes is human. To blame someone else for your mistake, is strategic.
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There is none.Russians once talked about liberating Jerusalem for the cause of christendom,but those were political calls,not coming from church.
We do have a clean record in that matter.Those who know don't speak
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Luke 22:36
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