Presidential Question

[Stitch]

Which begs the question - will the GOP hierarchy go harder at Trump once the window closes?

Well, Trump looks to take Iowa later on today (according to the polls), so I'm going to say the GOP "establishment" is prepared to sit on their hands and hope for the best, minus a major faux pas on Trump's part.

[Double Edge]

Either Cruz or Rubio are probably closer to the base GOP platform than Trump is.

jeb bush ?

[JRT]

Supposed Trump lost the Repbulican Nomination. Is there anything stopping him from running as an independent afterwards? Nothing malice about this but just trying to figure out Trump's options.

Any candidate would have to get on the ballots in the states, and each state has its own requirements for that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballot_access

It may seem a low probability, but also far from an impossibility that Trump and/or Bloomberg could be running as independent candidates.

[JRT]

jeb bush ?

In Iowa last night, that question seemed to provoke the response, "Jeb who?".

...and not for lack of advertising Dollars.

Jeb Spends $2,884 Per Iowa Vote
12:22 AM, Feb 02, 2016
The Weekly Standard

Florida governor Jeb Bush received 5,165 votes in Iowa. His vote total constitutes 2.8 percent of the Republican turnout, placing him in sixth place in the Iowa caucus.

Yet no candidate in either party spent more in the race than Bush.

According to MSNBC, Bush spent $14.9 million in Iowa, all coming from Bush's super PAC. (In fact, if one were to consider national ads and money from the campaign, the total would be significantly more.)

That means, the once Republican frontrunner spent $2,884 per Iowa vote.

[gunnut]

Rumor has it. Now she is single, after an appropriate amount of time, she plans to move back to Canada. To be closer to you.

Oooh...ouch....low blow!

[m a x]

http://www.segabg.com/article.php?id=789288

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[gunnut]

jeb bush ?

Most Americans are tired of the so-called "political dynasties" of the Bushes and the Clintons. Do we really need or even want another Bush/Clinton? Do we not have anyone else capable of doing anything they do in this nation of 330 million people?

Iowa showed last night that people in both parties are done with the establishment. We want some fresh faces and fresh blood. Jeb spent almost $3k per vote in Iowa. Hilary lost a 40 point advantage in less than 3 months. Just hang on. This ride is just starting.

[Bigfella]

jeb bush ?

Jeb! be cooked. He needs a win or a couple of big second places in the next few to even be a contender. Unlikely.

[Double Edge]

Most Americans are tired of the so-called "political dynasties" of the Bushes and the Clintons. Do we really need or even want another Bush/Clinton? Do we not have anyone else capable of doing anything they do in this nation of 330 million people?

Right, after watching a show i learnt there is an anti-establishment current going on. Hillary bad, bush, bad. How quickly people forget on both sides any positives either brought. Both got two terms so people did think they were worth it a second time. And you just had a 8 year break from both. anti-establishment, hmm.

any way, fresh blood wanted.

Iowa showed last night that people in both parties are done with the establishment. We want some fresh faces and fresh blood. Jeb spent almost $3k per vote in Iowa. Hilary lost a 40 point advantage in less than 3 months. Just hang on. This ride is just starting.

i learnt that people are angry and about different things. This means more irrationality than anything sensible. So ignore anything crazy said or done because they have a crowd to please :)

How social mobility seems to have stopped when it was once taken for granted. You hear this when people say wages haven't really risen if one takes inflation into account. How true that is depends who you ask.

Dunno what can be done about that and who is best to do anything about it.

Another interesting bit I picked up is the Dems are a urban liberal & minority party only nowadays. The working class white got dumped by them about ten years back.

well, who are they to vote for. Neither the Dems nor the Repubs represent them any more.

This is causing Trump & Sanders to get followers. How they can follow Trump i don't understand. is talking trash enough ? End of the day, Trump is 'the man'. Sanders is your polite, sensible euro socialist. College kids like him. But they don't always come out to vote so Sanders staying power is so so.

Cruz is a TP'er. Cause of republican woes. This guys gets more traction and the repubs will be in still hotter water.

Early days.

[gunnut]

Right, after watching a show i learnt there is an anti-establishment current going on. Hillary bad, bush, bad. How quickly people forget on both sides any positives either brought. Both got two terms so people did think they were worth it a second time. And you just had a 8 year break from both. anti-establishment, hmm.

any way, fresh blood wanted.

I really don't want any more Bushes or Clintons running the government. HW Bush was not bad. Billy was a sex addict, but at least he was a pragmatist. GW Bush was too socialist. Hildabeast is a say-anything-to-get-elected politician with no morals. Jeb....don't know about Jeb, but he's probably a socialist too.

How social mobility seems to have stopped when it was once taken for granted. You hear this when people say wages haven't really risen if one takes inflation into account. How true that is depends who you ask.

Did social mobility stop? Since when did "social mobility" mean one works 30 years at the same job doing the same thing but having his salary adjusted higher than inflation every single year?

No. Social mobility means one could ditch a low paying job for a higher paying job without restrictions other than his qualification. A hamburger flipper cannot expect to work 30 years doing the same thing but make executive level salary, or even middle class salary. It's an unskilled, entry-level job. And it always will be.

Del Taco's president retired a few years ago. She worked her way up from sweeping the floors at a Del Taco restaurant to cashier, to manager, to corporate, to VP, and finally retired as the president of the company. That's social mobility. She's a woman, and from the name, a "minority." It seems like the American dream is alive.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS1...008+BW20081001

Dunno what can be done about that and who is best to do anything about it.

Easy, increase minimum wage every year so anyone with a job making minimum wage is middle class.

[Parihaka]

[zraver]

Which begs the question - will the GOP hierarchy go harder at Trump once the window closes?

Probably, they seem to be betting on Rubio first, Trump second and Cruz if they have too. I think Rubio and Cruz can both beat Hillary, I don't think Trump can. He has as much baggage as she does. However she has other concerns at the moment. Though the national media is still claiming she has the nomination all but wrapped up I don't think so. She will do well in the South with the black belt. But in the NE, midwest and west coast she will have a harder time of it. She still holds the aces, but no longer controls each and every face card.

[tbm3fan]

A majority is very unlikely to vote for an evangelical like Cruz anymore than they would vote for Ayatollah like Sadiq Hussaini Shirazi

[GVChamp]

Our economy, explained in graph form

[Double Edge]

I really don't want any more Bushes or Clintons running the government. HW Bush was not bad. Billy was a sex addict, but at least he was a pragmatist. GW Bush was too socialist. Hildabeast is a say-anything-to-get-elected politician with no morals. Jeb....don't know about Jeb, but he's probably a socialist too.

You would like someone new & different. Experience isn't important here.

Did social mobility stop? Since when did "social mobility" mean one works 30 years at the same job doing the same thing but having his salary adjusted higher than inflation every single year?

No. Social mobility means one could ditch a low paying job for a higher paying job without restrictions other than his qualification. A hamburger flipper cannot expect to work 30 years doing the same thing but make executive level salary, or even middle class salary. It's an unskilled, entry-level job. And it always will be.

Del Taco's president retired a few years ago. She worked her way up from sweeping the floors at a Del Taco restaurant to cashier, to manager, to corporate, to VP, and finally retired as the president of the company. That's social mobility. She's a woman, and from the name, a "minority." It seems like the American dream is alive.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS1...008+BW20081001

Agree, the real wages line i've heard for many years now, it always comes up at election time.

Easy, increase minimum wage every year so anyone with a job making minimum wage is middle class.

If you do that won't everything you want become more expensive ?