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Originally posted by Batista View PostHe is revered as a great leader and inspiration to a lot of Indians.
Bose is thought along in the same league as Puyi in Japan. A useful puppet. Nothing more. Nothing less.
As I stated, there's scant attention to this gesture in the Japanese newspapers. Saichiro Misumi is no war hero to the Japanese.Last edited by Officer of Engineers; 12 Sep 14,, 17:01.Chimo
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostI know who he and what he means to India but he means squat all to Japan. Saichiro Misumi is a freaking nobody and he's only elavated in India because of his relationship to Bose.
Bose is thought along in the same league as Puyi in Japan. A useful puppet. Nothing more. Nothing less.
As I stated, there's scant attention to this gesture in the Japanese newspapers. Saichiro Misumi is no war hero to the Japanese.
We needed an agressive martial hero and the pols of the time found him useful. Nations after all, are built out of stuff like this.For Gallifrey! For Victory! For the end of time itself!!
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Originally posted by bolo121 View PostI doubt our post independence military leadership thought much of him either.
We needed an agressive martial hero and the pols of the time found him useful. Nations after all, are built out of stuff like this.sigpic
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Originally posted by Bigfella View PostMore's the pity. Needing aggressive martial heroes is bad enough in itself, though sadly it appears to be common enough. Having as the prime candidate a person who fawned at the feet of two of the most murderous regimes of a particularly murderous century is even worse. All very unfortunate.
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Originally posted by Bigfella View PostMore's the pity. Needing aggressive martial heroes is bad enough in itself, though sadly it appears to be common enough. Having as the prime candidate a person who fawned at the feet of two of the most murderous regimes of a particularly murderous century is even worse. All very unfortunate.
Unlike the Western world, India's obsession with that particular period of time is with the Freedom Struggle and our Independence, not with WW2, regardless of the sacrifices that BIA soldiers might have made. In that light, Netaji is a hero because he stood up to the British, so he is revered. Was he a puppet? Probably he was, but those facts/ nuances are lost in obscurity for a new nation looking for heroes and giants.
I am sure all this is galling for military enthusiasts and historians who would (very rightly) want the sacrifices and heroism of those who actually contributed something to that war, like Gen. Slim, recognized, but that does not enthuse the Indian nation, because its focus was elsewhere. It is certainly remembered in the places where it might actually matter, in the IA units descended from the ones that Slim commanded.
Also, I don't think Modi necessarily fawned at the feet of murderers, he played to a domestic gallery as well as international politics, and got investment dollars for his efforts."Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" ~ Epicurus
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Then by that saying USA and most of the NATO nations are even more crooks who had invaded many countries, killed equally if not more people and had dropped Nukes on a country crippling it's future generation who did nothing wrong. Now lets have the younger generation accept their fathers and grandfathers crimes and the older generation of the NATO apologize for their deeds just like the German's did , agree to their mistakes and not pay their respect those fought for their country in those wars. Then some here has the morality to call others crooks. So until then no matter what people want to call our Netaji, call whatever you want. We don't give a flying fish.
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Originally posted by sated buddha View PostIt was not our war to fight.
Our blood was needed elsewhere.
Instead it was used as cannon fodder aground the globe to win the war for the colonial master.
You like to ignore historic facts because it does not suit your myth.
Originally posted by commander View PostSo until then no matter what people want to call our Netaji, call whatever you want. We don't give a flying fish.Chimo
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostReally? Over 1 million Indians volunteered for the BIA. Only 45,000 joined the INA.
You like to ignore historic facts because it does not suit your myth.
The same men fighting on the other side - where would you get your world conquering armies from then ?
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Originally posted by Officer of Engineers View PostReally? Over 1 million Indians volunteered for the BIA. Only 45,000 joined the INA.
You like to ignore historic facts because it does not suit your myth.
It is the Japanese calling your Netaji a puppet.
Let the Japanese call him whatever they want, he was not their leader he was OURS and we respect him a lot. The Congress government which was in power for the last 6 decades did all they can to not give any credit to him. Moreover the comment was intended to many on this board too.
And something that I don't understand is that British are considered the "better evil" ? In my view British are not Holier than the Japanese. British had committed atrocities to Indians ...not the Japanese. So I take the Japanese devil anyday over the British devil (exception are everywhere but they are exceptions.)Last edited by commander; 12 Sep 14,, 20:53.
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Originally posted by commander View PostAnd something that I don't understand is that British are considered the "better evil" ? In my view British are not Holier than the Japanese. British had committed atrocities to Indians ...not the Japanese. So I take the Japanese devil anyday over the British devil (exception are everywhere but they are exceptions.)
And as bad as the British were, they never ate you. The Japanese did.Chimo
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