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    Why is there so much struggle there?



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    Muslim women, children shield marine killers
    By Richard S Ehrlich

    BANGKOK - Suspected Islamist insurgents avoided capture after torturing to death two Thai marines by beating and stabbing the bound-and-gagged victims behind a human shield of defiant Muslim women and children, horrifying the government and plunging southern Thailand into a fresh security crisis.

    Amid the world's most violent Islamist insurgency outside Iraq, angry and confused security forces hunted the elusive killers, described as three or four young men who ran away, leaving the marines' bloodied bodies in Tanyong Limo village.

    "They were brutally beaten to death with machetes and sticks, while their hands and legs were tied up, and they were gagged and blindfolded," Lieutenant General Kwanchart Klaharn, commander of the Fourth Army and director of the Southern Border Provinces Peace-building Command, told reporters

    The bodies were locked inside a building near a mosque, prompting security forces to break down a door to gain access before transporting them to a hospital morgue, he said.

    The brutality of the killings - coupled with the security forces' failed attempt to negotiate a peaceful resolution to the hostage crisis and the inability of the armed marines to defend themselves - was urgently being examined by politicians, peace activists, army generals and the Thai media.

    "We will absolutely not let those two die for nothing. The law is the law," an agitated Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra told journalists after the killings Wednesday during a 19-hour stalemate between troops and villagers in violence-torn Narathiwat province.

    "If I could, I would drop napalm bombs all over that village," a distraught Captain Traikwan Krairiksh was quoted in the Bangkok Post as saying after he viewed the bodies of his former subordinates in a pool of blood. "But the fact is, I can never do that. We are soldiers. We must follow the law. We can only take revenge by using the law."

    Throughout the stand-off, scores of shouting Muslim women dressed in traditional headscarves stood with children, blocking troops from gaining access to the hostages, and erecting banners that blamed the authorities, including one in Thai that read: "You are in fact the terrorists."

    Apparently hoping for a peaceful solution, troops did not attempt a forced rescue. The two experienced marines, armed with a US-supplied M-16 assault rifle and two pistols, were initially captured on Tuesday night when they stopped their vehicle near the village.

    Locals blamed them for the drive-by shooting death of two men dining at a nearby tea shop earlier in the night, but authorities later explained that the marines were pursuing the unidentified killers and were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    More than 1,000 people on all sides have died in southern Thailand since January 4, 2004 when the smoldering rebellion flared in a so-called "night of the fires" attack on security forces, including synchronized arson assaults on 21 schools and a massive raid on a military base that netted the rebels hundreds of guns and heavy weapons.

    Today, about 100 years after Thailand annexed the mostly ethnic Malay Muslim region, "mujahideen" holy warriors yearn for a separate state ruled by Islamic sharia law in a lush, tropical region where Islamists are waging similar insurgencies in the Philippines, Indonesia and elsewhere.

    No one is sure who leads the increasingly sophisticated, disciplined and successful Muslim fighters in southern Thailand. The government blames indigenous rebel groups, allied with local Islamic schools, that are inspired by wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and by Osama bin Laden's call to force non-believers from Muslim territories.

    The ongoing violence threatens to inflame strained relations between Buddhist-majority Thailand and Muslim-majority Malaysia, because Bangkok accuses Kuala Lumpur of not doing enough to stop suspected insurgents criss-crossing the porous border.

    In July, the government clamped the south under a "state of emergency", in part using Article 17 - granting impunity to security forces so they cannot be prosecuted for killings or other acts while deployed. In August, when asked at a news conference if the decree was "a license to kill", Thaksin held up a toy sign marked with an X and sounded a toy's electronic beep to indicate the question was "not constructive".

    Asked if international terrorists were involved in the south, the tense prime minister again held up his X sign and sounded his son's Japanese toy, a move that infuriated the media but which Thaksin defended as a stress-reliever to deal with "heavy" questions during the first of what he called the "PM meets the press" conferences.

    Scores of Thai Muslim men are believed to have undergone guerrilla training or religious study in Afghanistan before the Taliban's collapse in 2001, and many returned to southern Thailand shunning the region's popular Sunni Islam - demanding instead the austere, retro-justice of Islam's Wahhabi sect, pushed by Saudi Arabia and Osama bin Laden.

    Recent leaflets and word-of-mouth warnings in the south have called for all markets to shut on Fridays, Islam's traditional day of rest, or violators will be beheaded or have their ears chopped off. As a result, many businesses throughout the south have shut during the past several Fridays, either in fear or in sympathy.

    A dozen people, mostly Buddhists, have been beheaded in seemingly random attacks in the south in a strategy "copied from the violence in Iraq", according to Thailand's Interior Minister Chidchai Vanasathidya.

    Richard S Ehrlich is a Bangkok-based journalist from San Francisco, California. He has reported news from Asia since 1978 and is co-author of Hello My Big Big Honey!, a non-fiction book of investigative journalism. He received a master's degree from Columbia University's Graduate School of Journalism.

    (Copyright 2005 Richard S Ehrlich.)
    Hala Madrid!!

  • #2
    The mayhem never ceases!

    On and on....day after day.....


    "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

    I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

    HAKUNA MATATA

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Ray
      The mayhem never ceases!

      On and on....day after day.....
      Fcuking beastial savages
      “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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      • #4
        Right from the jungles!


        "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

        I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

        HAKUNA MATATA

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        • #5
          "If I could, I would drop napalm bombs all over that village," a distraught Captain Traikwan Krairiksh was quoted in the Bangkok Post as saying after he viewed the bodies of his former subordinates in a pool of blood. "But the fact is, I can never do that. We are soldiers. We must follow the law. We can only take revenge by using the law."
          Wow, definately more diplomatic than I would be in the same situation.
          Facts to a liberal is like Kryptonite to Superman.

          -- Larry Elder

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          • #6
            As diplomatic as those who wanted to nuke a certain place! ;)

            That is, so to speak, in the Asian context! :)


            "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

            I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

            HAKUNA MATATA

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            • #7
              But is there deprevation on the part of thai govt or terrorists are creating problems for no reason.
              Hala Madrid!!

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              • #8
                I think it's redicolous that we are calling everyone fighting governments terrorists.

                Why are these people attacking the government troops?

                Nobody ever askes that question, you all just jump to assumptions.

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                • #9
                  The idiots want to create a more Islamic state in southern Thailand where Sharia law i king.


                  Thai people dont want that.

                  If these Muslims are not happy, why not immigrate to Indonseia, pakistan, Afganistan etc where their views can be shared with others?

                  Why kill poor budhists.

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                  • #10
                    But are these people not thai?

                    Do they not deserve the opertunity to voice thier opinion?

                    why should they immigrate?

                    is that thier only beef?

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                    • #11
                      Govt terrorists?

                      Ask the Shias, the Pakistani women (who the Paksitani media reports as having been raped), the Christian and Hindu minorities, the Northern Areas people, the Baloch and the Pashtuns.

                      What do they say?

                      Then ask the Pakistan govt.

                      What do they say?
                      Last edited by Ray; 06 Oct 05,, 18:12.


                      "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

                      I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

                      HAKUNA MATATA

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                      • #12
                        why don't you aska shai, visioninthedark is a shia, ask him.

                        He lives in Karachi.

                        visit PDF, as Memphis, she's a woman from Lahore, ask her.

                        Ask Kilo_4_Que, or 3BSD on PDF, both from pathan origin.

                        They love our nation, only you hate it,, indian.

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                        • #13
                          The Pakistani media is adequate to inform.

                          Or are you suggesting that the Pak media is a bunch of traitors?

                          Enough from the Pak media on the subject has been posted on the net and in this very forum.

                          Why should I go to the humour forum PDF?

                          It has no credibility as was revealed in one of the threads of the WAB.

                          BTW, I have seen some parts of the Northern Area.
                          Last edited by Ray; 06 Oct 05,, 22:11.


                          "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

                          I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

                          HAKUNA MATATA

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                          • #14
                            Why should I hate Pakistan?

                            I want Pakistan to find her true identity that has been eluding her so far.

                            She doesn't know whether she is independent or is she a surrogate of China or that of the USA.

                            She cannot make up her mind whether a democracy suits her or a military dictatorship and being in double mind, she keeps experimenting in rapid succession.

                            She is finding her feet, Inshallah, and maybe she will find her place in the comity of Nations.

                            Good for her.


                            "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

                            I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

                            HAKUNA MATATA

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                            • #15
                              Plat 786,

                              Of course the Shias are looked upon as equals and I am sure Vision will also say the same.

                              However, can you tell me why more compensation is paid to the Sunni dead than the Shia dead in the sectarian killings.

                              That is sure fair, right?


                              "Some have learnt many Tricks of sly Evasion, Instead of Truth they use Equivocation, And eke it out with mental Reservation, Which is to good Men an Abomination."

                              I don't have to attend every argument I'm invited to.

                              HAKUNA MATATA

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