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  • #856
    Originally posted by astralis View Post
    isn't that precisely what a VP is for?
    Not really?
    Tim Kaine: moderate conservative catholic who is well established in Dem Circles
    Mike Pence: Please take us seriously, this is the only guy who wanted to hitch his wagon to Trump. But after the election, no worries, he'll disappear
    Paul Ryan: Look, I'm a serious technocrat!
    Joe Biden: White Working Class Midwest appeal Guy
    Sarah Palin: relative unknown, energize the base conservative
    John Edward: MAYBE picked as an attack dog?
    Dick Cheney: He's the guy Dubya trusts
    Joe Lieberman: ????
    Kemp: ????
    Dan Quayle: This guy was not picked to be the Attack Dog
    Al Gore: Look, we're not super liberal! We're technocrats!


    The equivalent would have been Mitt Romney picking, I don't know, Ted Cruz to be his running mate.
    "The great questions of the day will not be settled by means of speeches and majority decisions but by iron and blood"-Otto Von Bismarck

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    • #857
      off the top of my head -- Kaine, Ryan, Palin (especially Palin), Cheney -- all acted as political attack dogs for their principal.

      maybe not picked to BE an attack dog (Palin and Cheney excepted), but on the other hand, I don't think Harris was picked to be an attack dog either, tho she'll play the role and play it well.
      There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "My ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."- Isaac Asimov

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      • #858
        Originally posted by Bigfella View Post
        Well that didn't take long:

        https://www.nytimes.com/live/2020/08...gtype=Homepage

        One day & the race-based attacks begin. This is going to get uglier.
        As with surfgun's "TDS" thread: It's all they've got.
        “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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        • #859
          Originally posted by TopHatter View Post
          As with surfgun's "TDS" thread: It's all they've got.
          Which he "added" to today....
          “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
          Mark Twain

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          • #860
            Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
            Which he "added" to today....
            He's branching it out into the other threads too, gotta give him credit for that.
            “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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            • #861
              New York Post: Lose the nasty words, Mr. President — it does you no good
              By Post Editorial Board

              President Trump continues to be his own worst enemy: On Thursday, he stooped to calling presumptive vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris a “mad woman.”

              That doesn’t promote his agenda. It doesn’t help him with women. It doesn’t shore up his image as worthy of the nation’s highest office.

              It’s just, as Trump would say, mean and nasty.

              Sure, Harris isn’t the first target of Trump’s ad hominem attacks or over-the-top language. But making everything personal is unbecoming. It turns off voters who like his policies but dislike his rhetoric.

              Surely there are enough substantive issues on which to hit Harris and running mate Joe Biden: their views on crime, the economy, foreign policy … Why not focus on that, Mr. President — instead of resorting to callous insults that do you no good?

              Your goal is to get re-elected, right?
              ______

              Speaking of "it's all he's got"....
              “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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              • #862
                Veterans Group Taunts Donald Trump For ‘Finally' Going To War... With The Postal Service
                President Donald Trump’s ongoing assault on the U.S. Postal Service is coming under fire in a new attack ad released by the progressive PAC VoteVets.

                Trump is maligned and mocked for “finally” going to war — but with the post office instead of being deployed to a combat zone — in the 78-second spot shared online Thursday.

                The narrator of the video highlights the multiple military deferments that Trump received in his youth. He also notes the critical role the Postal Service plays for veterans — from prescription deliveries to returning absentee ballots.

                Trump appeared to admit on Thursday that he is blocking funding to the Postal Service in a bid to frustrate its operations ahead of the 2020 election, when it will likely be swamped with mail-in ballots owing to the coronavirus pandemic.

                “This is just a warmup for the fall,” warns the narrator of the ad.

                “Donald Trump plans to disrupt absentee ballots and vote-by-mail for millions of Americans in the middle of a pandemic he failed to control,” the voice-over concludes. “Because Donald Trump knows if the mail delivers ballots to America’s veterans, we’ll deliver a message right back — you lose.”

                VoteVets is backed by more than 700,000 veterans and their families, per its website. The group works to increase the number of veterans in Congress.

                Its anti-Trump ads have garnered millions of views on social media.

                A previous spot accused Trump of becoming “America’s number-one traitor.”

                However, it’s unclear what effect these kinds of ads — and others released by groups on both sides of the aisle — actually have on undecided voters.

                Trump received four student and one medical deferment from the military, the latter on the basis of allegedly having bone spurs in his heels.

                The diagnosis has been called into question, though, by the daughters of the podiatrist who saw Trump for the condition. They say their father diagnosed Trump to curry favor with his father, Fred.

                _________

                Must be more of those "Antifa/socialists / haters of the USA" making these vids.
                “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                • #863
                  Top hatter. Dont take this the wrong way as I am doing this out of curiosity. This thread has 59 pages and counting. You obviously are not fond of Trump or his presidency, but I have yet to read where you sing praises as to why Biden is so great and is the best man for the job, or to be honest, why Harris would be a better president because it is obvious that if Biden wins he will soon be declared incompetent and Harris will step in as president. Can you list some accomplishments and/or agendas that either of these two have that would make them presidential material, without comparing them to Trump?
                  Removing a single turd from the cesspool doesn't make any difference.

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                  • #864
                    Originally posted by bonehead View Post
                    Top hatter. Dont take this the wrong way as I am doing this out of curiosity. This thread has 59 pages and counting. You obviously are not fond of Trump or his presidency, but I have yet to read where you sing praises as to why Biden is so great and is the best man for the job, or to be honest, why Harris would be a better president because it is obvious that if Biden wins he will soon be declared incompetent and Harris will step in as president. Can you list some accomplishments and/or agendas that either of these two have that would make them presidential material, without comparing them to Trump?
                    Every time I read one of these questions about being presidential material it cracks me up. With the election of Trump being presidential and having the qualities to be President have been totally thrown out the window by many Americans. The office at this point in time has been so dumb down that even Bugs Bunny could run now. No offense Bugs. For the record I'd vote for Bugs...

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                    • #865
                      ^^^^^
                      So much this....
                      “Loyalty to country ALWAYS. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it.”
                      Mark Twain

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                      • #866
                        Originally posted by Albany Rifles View Post
                        ^^^^^
                        So much this....
                        Amen.

                        The question isn't "Is Joe Biden the right candidate?"
                        The question is "Who can get rid of the wrong president?"
                        Trust me?
                        I'm an economist!

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                        • #867
                          Originally posted by bonehead View Post
                          Top hatter. Dont take this the wrong way as I am doing this out of curiosity. This thread has 59 pages and counting. You obviously are not fond of Trump or his presidency, but I have yet to read where you sing praises as to why Biden is so great and is the best man for the job, or to be honest, why Harris would be a better president because it is obvious that if Biden wins he will soon be declared incompetent and Harris will step in as president. Can you list some accomplishments and/or agendas that either of these two have that would make them presidential material, without comparing them to Trump?
                          Bonehead,
                          That's an absolutely fair and reasonable question. I don't take offense at it, at all.
                          You're correct, I am not fond of Donald Trump or his presidency. "Loathing" would be a better word, in fact.

                          I am also not a Democrat. Never have been. Never will be. Never claimed to be one. Therefore I don't have the slightest reason to promote a Democrat, let alone sing the praises of a Democrat, to say nothing of listing their accomplishments and/or agendas.

                          Having said that, I will be voting for Joe Biden this year. Not because I think that Biden knows how to solve the problems facing the nation, or because he's the best man for the job. It is purely and simply because he is not Donald Trump, nor anywhere close to being anything like Donald Trump.

                          For instance: With the exploding danger of COVID-19 staring the country in the face, I am reasonably confident that Joe Biden will not promote ridiculous conspiracy theories or suggest absurd and dangerous medical treatments, nor consort with and promote those that do.

                          This is just a small example of why Donald Trump is an existential threat to this country, and why even a pile of shit 6 feet tall would be an improvement, by an order of magnitude, over him.

                          I could provide example after example, such as how I'm reasonably confident that Joe Biden wouldn't dismiss US intelligence reports of Kremlin-offered bounties on US soldiers. So too, I'm reasonably confident that our hypothetical 6 foot high pile of shit wouldn't dismiss them either. So, pile of shit or Joe Biden, the staggering improvement over Donald Trump is still the same.

                          Regarding your assertion that "it is obvious that if Biden wins he will soon be declared incompetent", I will point out that Deflection and Projection, whilst the hallmark of 'defending' Donald Trump, are also poor substitutes for facing reality. Joe Biden is a lifelong stutterer, so his slips of speech, which are taken as "evidence" of his "mental incompetence" are to be expected. However, Joe Biden, at last check, does not have dozens of essays from psychiatrists, psychologists, and other mental health professionals describing the "clear and present danger" that his mental health poses to the "nation and individual well being".

                          Donald Trump however, most certainly does.

                          In fact, Donald Trump's mental incompetence is on display, day after day. Whether repeatedly claiming that his Bronx-born father Fred Trump was "born in a very wonderful place in Germany" or asserting that soldiers during the American Revolution "took over the airports", it's clear that Donald Trump is either mentally incompetent, or just plain incompetent.

                          So attempting to deflect onto Joe Biden and tar him with that brush, while amusing, has the distinct whiff of desperation and bullshit to it. Most especially when it requires one to completely ignore the mental state of Donald Trump.
                          “He was the most prodigious personification of all human inferiorities. He was an utterly incapable, unadapted, irresponsible, psychopathic personality, full of empty, infantile fantasies, but cursed with the keen intuition of a rat or a guttersnipe. He represented the shadow, the inferior part of everybody’s personality, in an overwhelming degree, and this was another reason why they fell for him.”

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                          • #868
                            Originally posted by bonehead View Post
                            Top hatter. Dont take this the wrong way as I am doing this out of curiosity. This thread has 59 pages and counting. You obviously are not fond of Trump or his presidency, but I have yet to read where you sing praises as to why Biden is so great and is the best man for the job, or to be honest, why Harris would be a better president because it is obvious that if Biden wins he will soon be declared incompetent and Harris will step in as president. Can you list some accomplishments and/or agendas that either of these two have that would make them presidential material, without comparing them to Trump?
                            I think one of the problems that alot of 'politicians' have is transferring their personal views onto national (or international) topics that effect millions. The point is once you become a 'representative' of any people from village up to national or international you should represent the views of your constituents rather than your own.Iif you become President (or PM or whatever) you have to do what is best for the country as a whole you have to/should do what is best for the country as a whole rather than yourself financially and your political party. As a Catholic I cannot agree with abortion or contraception - nor do I in principle - but what happens to women who become pregnant after being raped? I do not have the right, and nor does anyone else or a Government, to order them to have their rapists child if they do not wish to. As a person I would never have an abortion but if I was ever elected to represent other Ladies I would absolutely support the right of a victim of rape to abort a child caused as a result. The same is true in many other spheres of any elected representatives policy; I personally would never invade my neighbours home, nor blow up his/her car/fridge etc but in certain pre-emptive cases when you are already at war (even just for sabotage) across a border it is advisable and justifiable. Being any sort of elected representative (and the higher one goes the more the duty applies) is not about following your own views (or prejudices) but about governing for the good and welfare of the country.

                            I would add that I do not think your next election is about Trump or Biden (or the VP choices of either) but about democracy or not.
                            Last edited by snapper; 17 Aug 20,, 18:57.

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                            • #869
                              Originally posted by snapper View Post

                              I would add that I do not think your next election is about Trump or Biden (or the VP choices of either) but about democracy or not.
                              As Biden said, the soul...

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                              • #870
                                Police declare the law and order candidate. He is no Jackass.
                                https://nypost.com/2020/07/16/nation...ndorses-trump/

                                Included is the largest municipality agency.
                                https://nypost.com/2020/08/14/nypd-p...urge-in-crime/

                                The list goes on...
                                https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...a-punching-bag

                                https://www.detroitnews.com/story/ne...mp/5499322002/

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