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Originally posted by Oracle View Post[ATTACH]47942[/ATTACH]
Pakistan Railways Minister Sheikh Rashid attacked in London; PPP workers punch him, pelt him with eggs | Times Now | Aug 23 2019
The two claimed that they had assaulted the Pakistan minister as he had been using "abusive language" for PPP leader Bilawal Bhutto Zardari.
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Originally posted by Oracle View PostI've talked about IB's, and all of those players of Kashmir's moneyball before. The same is true of IB's games in Assam during ULFA's hey days. Hope things are changing under the Modi government. Dulat, his talks always stinked of double speak. Asshat.
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Originally posted by Oracle View PostSo effectively there are 3 view points. The Governments, the militaries, and us common idiots. And the Governments PoV is what matters. I am at a pain to understand, diplomacy apart, why doesn't the GoI talk about PAs' past genocides? The LoC is on fire, that is the militaries part. We civilians are screaming, which is our part. What is the GoI doing to counter Pak propaganda? I see nothing. Optics are important too.
Originally posted by Oracle View PostHow do we crush the logistics network of Pakistani terrorists? They get their training from the PA, as also arms and funding. So how do India crush the logistics of those terrorists, inside India if not inside Pakistan, and starve them. I know we're going after their funding and sympathisers in Kashmir, what more can be done?
The simple fact is is that you're not going to get rid of the independence mind of the Kashmiris no matter how good you make their lives. The Basque don't see themselves as Spanish. The Quebecois doesn't want to be associated with English Canada. The Chechens don't want to be part of Russia. Tibet wants to leave China. And these things have been going on for 100s of years.
The best you can hope for is that you switch their mindset from the bullet to the ballot and that means giving them the consitutional right to leave India while doing your damdest to make sure that they don't want to lose their homes and jobs by leaving India. This means giving them something to lose by leaving India. When they have nothing to lose by leaving India, then they won't resort to the ballot but the bullet.Chimo
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Originally posted by Oracle View PostFOR most in Pakistan, Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s move of revoking held Kashmir’s special status in the Indian constitution came as a shock — even if his government’s manifesto categorically stated his intent to do so. Shocking? Hardly.
In fact, the move has laid to rest any pretence that Modi recognises the need to be a centrist prime minister and that his pandering to his right-wing RSS support base is only a way to keep them in good humour. Everything about his government’s demeanour over the past couple of weeks confirms the deep ideological conviction that underpins his actions.
Sadly, the popular rebuttal that India’s democracy is robust enough to keep the minorities from being jettisoned isn’t going to mean much now.
Most of all because Modi, perhaps more so than any of the new populist brand of leaders around the world, has perfected the art of tying big business interests with an exclusionary social and political agenda.
He clearly isn't pro market, he is selectively pro business. His regime has a statist feel about it that makes right wingers cringe. I sometimes wonder whether he is just a more efficient Congress Team B since he did not jettison any of their populist policies. The way into office for these so called right parties is to ape the populism of the left. This they have been doing in numerous countries to date with success.
His recent electoral campaign was a picture-perfect illustration: despite poor economic performance, he neutralised the Congress and others by sucking virtually all big business money into his campaign and combined this with an over-the-top national security discourse that targeted the Indian left, Pakistan, and everyone that stood against the Hindu-right’s vision.
Congress is resilient at the state & local level given their results in state elections and they only lost Gujarat narrowly. Imagine if they won then what a jolt that would have given the PM. Congress are down not out at the national level as they could come back if they retain their local level support. Who else are people going to vote for once they get tired of Modi.
If this 370 decision ends up in a worse state than earlier. If the economy gets worse than when he entered. It means he is gone and Shah with him.
Fast forward a couple of months to his Kashmir move. So aggressive was the manner in which it was executed that even the most sympathetic world capitals and media outlets had to speak up. But as the minorities shuddered, Corporate India watched millions of Indians come out in Modi’s support. If you are a strongman on a mission to redefine the social fabric of your society, the urge would be to do more.
Moeed is better at explaining Pakistan than India.
India’s direction leaves Pakistan with a dilemma. First, because the situation will get uglier. From everything I have studied about the new generation of Kashmiri Muslims, they aren’t going to take it lying down. But India is also unlikely to hold back in unleashing its power to prevent any popular uprising. As news and evidence of excesses trickle out, the Pakistani government will feel the heat from within the country to do something. The political opposition is going to be all over the government if there is even a hint of pragmatism in its posturing. Right-wing forces will use the polarisation to make things more toxic. The push for the government would be to cover its bases by banking on jingoism.
India will pounce, distracting attention from the internal Kashmir dynamic to the Pakistani right’s toxicity. The terrorism lingo will be at the fore of Delhi’s rhetoric. FATF, IMF, and others will be asked to take note.
Second, there is a real risk of a major Pakistan-India crisis in the current situation. The LoC is already radioactive. If the Kashmir unrest gets out of control, or if there are attacks, India is going to blame Pakistan. Given how Modi spun Pulwama to convince his support base that his military actions had worked and that he’d go further to harm Pakistan, he will feel the pressure to act. Similar pressure, built up courtesy of his claims of conducting surgical strikes against Pakistan after Uri, led him to launch air strikes during Pulwama. The end result was that the Pulwama crisis escalated beyond what Uri did.
Third, and most important, what we are witnessing isn’t about the Kashmir issue only. Whatever one may say to critique what has happened there, you can’t blame Modi and co for hiding where they want it all to end up. Nor have they done so about where they’ll go next. For instance, a temple will be built on the site of the Babri mosque regardless of the consequences. And much more thereafter.
This more thereafter leaves things hanging. Varanasi & Mathura. Both religious sites for hindus.
As this transpires, Pakistan will face an existential question about its position on the Muslims across the border.
Is standing up for them and presenting this as a right based on our official interpretation of the two-nation theory going to remain part of the policy ethos?
Or are we prepared to consider it India’s matter?
The issue strikes at the heart of the identity question we have been debating in this country for as long as it’s been around.
How this is handled in the current context will have direct implications for our already polarised debate
- on identity,
- the raison d’être of the state’s security institutions, and
- for how the Indian Muslims — many of whom are directly impacted by the state of India-Pakistan relations and Pakistan’s stance on their plight — will see Pakistan’s role in the treatment New Delhi metes out to them.
The issue will have to be handled extremely delicately.
Surprise the Steve Cohens, Christine Fairs and all the other cynics who think the two are in for an eternal battle. Shock them!
Then both PM's can go collect Nobel peace prize.
For someone who has long advocated a reorientation of Pakistan’s relationship with India in the positive direction, Modi’s actions have been a shut-up call for me. Depressing times these are — and things are sure to get worse as Modi persists in targeting minorities, and destroying India’s social fabric in the process.
Last edited by Double Edge; 24 Aug 19,, 01:14.
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Originally posted by Oracle View Post
Prime Minster Imran Khan decided on Wednesday that the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) would organise massive protests in New York during Indian premier Narendra Modi’s coming visit to United States to give him a global backlash over his government’s unlawful decision to strip Occupied Jammu of autonomy and tyranny of Indian armed forces on innocent Kashmiris.
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That could happen. If they're from up state or out of state. Ass widths do get larger the further you go from ManhattanLast edited by Double Edge; 24 Aug 19,, 10:55.
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Originally posted by WABs_OOE View PostAbove my pay-grade and frankly, a different pay scale, ie I'm Canadian and not Indian.
There's one way but you don't have the stomach for it. Have each one of your soldiers collect 300 heads each.
The simple fact is is that you're not going to get rid of the independence mind of the Kashmiris no matter how good you make their lives. The Basque don't see themselves as Spanish. The Quebecois doesn't want to be associated with English Canada. The Chechens don't want to be part of Russia. Tibet wants to leave China. And these things have been going on for 100s of years.
Going by what our PM does out of the blue, 10 heads are on the cards in the near future. We're taking 5 heads on the LoC as of now. 300 is a bit much, considering our economy, but that's not impossible. Your ally, US, will help us achieve that. In the meanwhile, what I think is best is to firebomb the PA on the LoC/IB, and wait for their economy to sink even further.
Tibet is never going to be liberated, unless the CPC falls. On the same note, Kashmir stays with us unless India falls. If PA doesn't mend its ways, they will lose PoK, one border post at a time. Tibet and Kashmir's strategic importance makes it all the more important for these part of lands to hold onto by respective countries.
The best you can hope for is that you switch their mindset from the bullet to the ballot and that means giving them the consitutional right to leave India while doing your damdest to make sure that they don't want to lose their homes and jobs by leaving India. This means giving them something to lose by leaving India. When they have nothing to lose by leaving India, then they won't resort to the ballot but the bullet.Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Originally posted by Double Edge View PostMoney being used to fight terrorism ends up lining the pockets of some and prolonging the fight longer so as to get more money ?
Originally posted by Double Edge View PostInteresting story. Way you get these people to want to join India is make the Indian side better off.
Listen to this guy from PoK.
Listen to his other videos too if you have the time.
ISI-funded Kashmir Centre reincarnates from a PO box in Brussels, this is what he talked about in his video.
Last edited by Oracle; 24 Aug 19,, 03:41.Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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Politicians are elected to serve...far too many don't see it that way - Albany Rifles! || Loyalty to country always. Loyalty to government, when it deserves it - Mark Twain! || I am a far left millennial!
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