Stone pelting a conspiracy by Pakistan and its agents in Kashmir

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One for Tronic to read as he thinks we have so many troops deployed, man for man. lol.

Half a million or 1 million? While media peddles fantastical claims, here are the actual number of troops deployed in Jammu and Kashmir | Op India | Aug 28 2019


A lot of work was put into this article and it also includes how many the Paks have on the other side.

This nobody talks about. Why ? because they have as many in PO J&K too

In other words parity on both sides. Why ?

The reason it is important to consider the external factor is because people tend to forget that the Indian Army is deployed on Line-of-Control primarily to prevent any attack by Pakistan Army to take Jammu & Kashmir by force.

Counter-infiltration is just one part of their overall responsibility.

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Lift the black out. It's been on for 21 days now.

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Curfew in North Waziristan from 17th-Aug-2019 for a month. Where are the bleeding heart liberals of BBC, New York Times, Guardian, CNN now? The media has lost its credibility. No mention of Pak sponsored terrorism in their reports. Biased much?

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Daddy issues.

Don't think so. She says she was being thoughtless. That clip was from 2011 btw, somebody went through a lot of trouble to catch her out on that.

She definitely knows better. From her 2017 Novel

In my novel The Ministry of Utmost Happiness, published in 2017, one of the main characters, an Indian Intelligence officer, Biplab Dasgupta aka Garson Hobart, who has served in Kashmir, says:

“It’s true we did—we do— some terrible things in Kashmir, but… I mean what the Pakistan Army did in East Pakistan—now that was a clear case of genocide. Open and shut. When the Indian Army liberated Bangladesh, the good old Kashmiris called it—still call it—the ‘Fall of Dhaka.’ They aren’t very good at other peoples’ pain. But then, who is? The Baloch, who are being buggered by Pakistan, don’t care about Kashmiris. The Bangladeshis who we liberated are hunting down Hindus. The good old communists call Stalin’s Gulag a ‘necessary part of revolution’. The Americans are currently lecturing the Vietnamese about human rights. What we have on our hands is a species problem. None of us is exempt.”

In an essay called Walking with the Comrades published in 2010 and republished in June 2019, I wrote:

When Charu Mazumdar famously said, “China’s Chairman is our Chairman and China’s Path is Our Path,” he was prepared to extend it to the point where the Naxalites remained silent while General Yahya Khan committed genocide in East Pakistan (Bangladesh), because at the time, China was an ally of Pakistan. There was silence too, over the Khmer Rouge and its killing fields in Cambodia. There was silence over the egregious excesses of the Chinese and Russian revolutions. Silence over Tibet.

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^ I read her apology and all that you posted.

Daddy issues can be a lot of things mixed up together. Troubled childhood. Molested by someone close in the family. Molested in the wrong part of the body. Sexually frustrated as she grew up.

Molested can be replaced by <insert your own accurate word>.

Everything she used to speak was against the Government. She went into the jungles and met naxalites. She doesn't understand that the oppression she faced in her childhood, of which we can only assume, are not the oppression the naxals face, or the Kashmiris. Without going into RCA, how can she blurt things out from her ass? She is the kind of Indian, foreign media quotes quite happily, and our enemies too.

And if she knows better, she should speak for India. Why is she staying in India and speaking for Pakistan? The video is old, and I know ISPR or some Pak troll planted it, but why did she say it in 2011? This brand of far left assholes are a danger to the country. She is alive because she lives in India. In Pakistan, by now, she would have been raped by the PA, cut into 100 pieces and her body parts thrown into a ditch.

Human rights violations are everywhere, but what is the reason for that in Kashmir? If Pak stops supporting terrorists, there will be no human rights violations. This is not rocket science. Is this tough to understand for that twat?

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Oh i thought by Daddy you meant ISI. Seems you are referring to something else.

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How'd i miss this guy. Was on the scene since day 1

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Will the Milk Come to a Boil in J&K? | Open Magazine | Aug 09 2019

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Pak Propaganda War In Overdrive, Reaching As Far As Nagaland: Sources

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Imran Khan: The World Can’t Ignore Kashmir. We Are All in Danger.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan —After I was elected prime minister of Pakistan last August, one of my foremost priorities was to work for lasting and just peace in South Asia. India and Pakistan, despite our difficult history, confront similar challenges of poverty, unemployment and climate change, especially the threat of melting glaciers and scarcity of water for hundreds of millions of our citizens.

I wanted to normalize relations with India through trade and by settling the Kashmir dispute, the foremost impediment to the normalization of relations between us.

On July 26, 2018, in my first [televised address to Pakistan](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf2tdCcfcW8) after winning the elections, I stated we wanted peace with India and if it took one step forward, we would take two steps. After that, a meeting between our two foreign ministers was arranged on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly session in September 2018, but India [canceled the meeting](https://www.dawn.com/news/1434285) . That September I also [wrote my first](https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/48...onal-stability) of three letters to Prime Minister Narendra Modi calling for dialogue and peace.

Unfortunately, all my effortsto start a dialogue for peacewere rebuffed by India. Initially, we assumed that Mr. Modi’s increasingly hard-line positions and his rhetoric against Pakistan were aimed to whip up a nationalist frenzy among the Indian voters with [an eye on the Indian elections](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/23/o...?module=inline) in May.

On Feb. 14, a few months before those elections, [a young Kashmiri man](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/02/o...?module=inline) carried out a suicide attack against Indian troops in Indian-occupied Kashmir. The Indian government promptly blamed Pakistan.

We asked for evidence, but Mr. Modi sent Indian Air Force fighter planes across the border to Pakistan. Our Air Force brought down an Indian plane and captured the pilot. We struck back to signal we could defend ourselves but chose not to strike a target that would cause loss of life. I made a conscious decision to show that Pakistan had no intent of aggravating the conflict between two nuclear-armed states. We [returned the captured Indian pilot](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/01/w...?module=inline) , with no preconditions.

On May 23, after Mr. Modi’s re-election, I congratulated him and hoped we could work for “peace, progress and prosperity in South Asia.” In June, I sent [another letter to Mr. Modi](https://www.businesstoday.in/current...ry/354379.html) offering dialogue to work toward peace. Again, India chose not to respond. And we found out that while I was making peace overtures, [India had been lobbying](https://www.livemint.com/news/india/...178889632.html) to get Pakistan placed on the “blacklist” at the intergovernmental Financial Action Task Force, which could lead to severe economic sanctions and push us toward bankruptcy.

Evidently Mr. Modi had mistaken our desire for peace in a nuclear neighborhood as appeasement. We were not simply up against a hostile government. We were up against a “New India,” which is governed by leaders and a party that are the products of the Hindu supremacist mother ship, [Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh](https://www.nytimes.com/2003/02/02/m...?module=inline) , or the R.S.S.

The Indian prime minister and several ministers of his government continue to be members of the R.S.S., whose founding fathers expressed their [admiration for Benito Mussolini](https://indianexpress.com/article/op...tians-5117648/) and Adolf Hitler. [Mr. Modi has written](https://caravanmagazine.in/vantage/m...lwalkar-part-1) with great love and reverence about M.S. Golwalkar, the second supreme leader of the R.S.S., and has referred to Mr. Golwakar as “Pujiniya Shri Guruji (Guru Worthy of Worship).”

Mr. Modi’s guru wrote admiringly about the Final Solution in “ [We, Our Nationhood Defined](https://www.thehindubusinessline.com...cle7924161.ece) ,” his 1939 book: “To keep up the purity of the race and its culture, Germany shocked the world by her purging the country of the Semitic Races — the Jews. National pride at its highest has been manifested here. Germany has also shown how well-nigh impossible it is for races and cultures, having differences going to the root, to be assimilated into one united whole, a good lesson for us in Hindustan for us to learn and profit by.”

I had hoped that being elected prime minister might lead Mr. Modi to cast aside his old ways as the chief minister of the Indian state of Gujarat, when he gained global notoriety for the 2002 pogrom against local Muslims on his watch and was [denied a visa to travel](https://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2013...modi-visa-ban/) to the United States under its International Religious Freedom Act — a list of visa denials that [included associates of Slobodan Milosevic](http://svaradarajan.blogspot.com/200...isa-power.html) .

Mr. Modi’s first term as prime minister had been [marked by lynching](https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-...in-india-video) of Muslims, Christians and Dalits by extremist Hindu mobs. In Indian-occupied Kashmir, we have witnessed [increased state violence](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/19/o...?module=inline) against defiant Kashmiris. Pellet-firing shotguns were introduced and aimed at the eyes of young Kashmiri protesters, blinding hundreds.

On Aug. 5, in its most brazen and egregious move, Mr. Modi’s government [altered the status of Indian-occupied Kashmir](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/08/o...?module=inline) through the revocation of Article 370 and 35A of the Indian Constitution. The move is [illegal under the Constitution of India](https://thewire.in/law/murder-of-ins...ent-to-kashmir) , but more important, it is a violation of the United Nations Security Council resolutions on Kashmir and the Shimla Agreement between India and Pakistan.

And Mr. Modi’s “New India” chose to do this by imposing a military curfew in Kashmir, imprisoning its population in their homes and cutting off their phone, internet and television connections, rendering them without news of the world or their loved ones. The siege was followed by a purge: [Thousands of Kashmiris](https://www.insider.com/kashmir-poli...e-sweep-2019-8) have been arrested and thrown into prisons across India. A blood bath is feared in Kashmir when the curfew is lifted. Already, Kashmiris coming out in defiance of the curfew are [being shot and killed](https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9079371.html) .

If the world does nothing to stop the Indian assault on Kashmir and its people, there will be consequences for the whole world as two nuclear-armed states get ever closer to a direct military confrontation. India’s defense minister has issued a not-so-veiled nuclear threat to Pakistan by saying that the future of India’s “ [no first use](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/31/w...?module=inline) ” policy on nuclear weapons will “ [depend on circumstances](https://www.livemint.com/news/india/...978545173.html) .” Similar statements have been [made by Indian leaders](https://economictimes.indiatimes.com...w/70718646.cms) periodically. Pakistan has long viewed India’s “no first use” claims with skepticism.

With the nuclear shadow hovering over South Asia, we realize that Pakistan and India have to move out of a zero-sum mind-set to begin dialogue on Kashmir, various strategic matters and trade. On Kashmir, the dialogue must include all stakeholders, especially the Kashmiris. We have already prepared multiple options thatcan be workedon while honoring the right to self-determination the Kashmiris were promised by the Security Council resolutions and India’s first prime minister, Jawaharlal Nehru.

Through dialogue and negotiations, the stakeholders can arrive at a viable solution to end the decades of suffering of the Kashmiri people and move toward a stable and just peace in the region. But dialogue can start only when India reverses its illegal annexation of Kashmir, ends the curfew and lockdown, and withdraws its troops to the barracks.

It is imperative that the international community think beyond trade and business advantages. World War II happened because of appeasement at Munich. A similar threat looms over the world again, but this time under the nuclear shadow.
Imran Khan is the PUPPET prime minister of Pakistan.

Yawn! We abrogated an article that we inserted into our constitution. And this calls for armageddon? Yawn. This move have proved yet again what the PA is. Hijron ki fauz.

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Pak Propaganda War In Overdrive, Reaching As Far As Nagaland: Sources

Right, so the internet isn't coming back any time soon for them. Only a few minutes every day. Some one from Jammu said he was able to see youtube comments but not youtube videos because of some bug with Airtel.

In the Mad Waters of Kashmir | Open Magazine | Aug 15 2019

Outside closed shops, a few young men sit on parapets, their eyes on a few vehicles and on people who walk by.

“You see that boy there,” the Army officer, a Major, points towards a wooden platform where a bearded young man leans on his elbow, “He is an OGW [over-ground worker] of the Hizbul Mujahideen.” In the absence of communication, the officer says, OGWs like the young man keep a watch on what is happening outside and pass information physically from one place to another.

The previous evening about 100 people had assembled secretly in a house belonging to a terrorist sympathiser. The people are confused, says the Major; they do not know what to do and whether it is a good idea to come out on the streets and clash with security personnel. “They do not have initiators right now. Once the communication is restored, they will have people to guide them,” he says.

The communication blockade, it seems, is here to stay. Internet, especially, will be off for a long, long time. Kashmiris are increasingly getting agitated about it. “We have no choice,” says a senior Government official, “If we switch it on, it will lead to casualties and we want to avoid that.”

So what is the problem ? we lack the social media surveillance tools that Israel used to defeat the 3rd intifada. If people get calls to assemble for some flash mob demonstration the cops follow and disrupt the meeting. As AIM writes here.

Unless you have something like this the internet can be used by the opponent effectively against the state. It's sad people have to be deprived of internet. But at least the phones will be working soon.

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Agenda-Driven Journalism, Distortions And Half Lies - Abhijit Iyer-Mitra New

20 Kashmiri youths ‘missing’ since Article 370 move, role of terror headhunters feared

Pak Sikh’s daughter forcibly converted, married to Muslim

This happens on a daily basis. 1000 Hindu girls are kidnapped, raped and then converted to Pakistan every year. This is what is reported. We don't know the number of kidnapping not reported. Then there are Sikh, Christians girls facing the same. This video is on youtube.

Now we send extra £105 million foreign aid to Pakistan: Country is biggest recipient of handouts despite having its own space programme

Britain can use this money to reduce homelessness. Or help young Brits kick the habit of drugs. OR, help your military vets.

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One for Tronic to read as he thinks we have so many troops deployed, man for man. lol.

I come back after a week and the first post on the last page I see my name attached with manipulated words.

The first time I already corrected you that I never said India has one-for-one troops deployed in the region, just that India's armed forces number the entire population of the valley (which it turned out I was wrong as Kashmir valley population is 8 mill; I had thought 1-2 mill). This conversation already took place.

Now again, you're still continuing to run with those manipulated words that I allegedly think india has one-for-one soldiers deployed in Kashmir, it is quite clearly disingenuous bullshit from you as you're purposely twisting and manipulating words despite me correcting you that I did not mean to say that at all. This is why I call you nothing but a propaganda peddler of your Hindu party.

Manipulate words to discredit the person you're debating with to hopefully make their argument sound weak.. Any person who is not a Hindu fundamentalist sympathizer can clearly see this Hindu fundamentalist "New India" ideology.. but ofcourse if you're not a Hindu fundamentalist or an evil Muslim, you're probably a far left extremist, lol..

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I come back after a week and the first post on the last page I see my name attached with manipulated words.

The first time I already corrected you that I never said India has one-for-one troops deployed in the region, just that India's armed forces number the entire population of the valley (which it turned out I was wrong as Kashmir valley population is 8 mill; I had thought 1-2 mill). This conversation already took place.

Oh! so you think we have 1-2 million there ? read the article and discover for yourself the real number and its purpose.

Now again, you're still continuing to run with those manipulated words that I allegedly think india has one-for-one soldiers deployed in Kashmir, it is quite clearly disingenuous bullshit from you as you're purposely twisting and manipulating words despite me correcting you that I did not mean to say that at all.

You used the term man for man. I called you out on it and still am.

This is why I call you nothing but a propaganda peddler of your Hindu party.

Is that all you got. Can't pick apart anything else i've said, posted ? really ? Wow!

This means everything i've said here stands : D

Hindu party ? is that like Hindu nationalist party. Both words do not exist in the term BJP

Which parties have the word nationalist. There is the NCP, Pawar's outfit. Then there is the Indian National Congress.

No "hindu" party i know off standing for office. Interest & pressure groups ? plenty

I mean how far is Hindu nationalist to white nationalist, kinda sounds the same innit.

Manipulate words to discredit the person you're debating with to hopefully make their argument sound weak.. Any person who is not a Hindu fundamentalist sympathizer can clearly see this Hindu fundamentalist "New India" ideology.. but ofcourse if you're not a Hindu fundamentalist or an evil Muslim, you're probably a far left extremist, lol..

Your statement on number of troops we have there isn't weak its outright wrong.

You are using ideology to counter. Try better. Start participating more and then you won't have to rely on generalities. Give me counters. Disagreements are spam.

Abrogating 370 is Hindu fundamentalist for you is it ? i see it as consolidation of India. Unfinished business. Something the Jan sangh has been adamant about since the early 50s. I fail to see what is particularly Hindu about it.

New India for me is confident and assertive. Doklam, Balakote, 370. The list goes on. A very refreshing change from the same old that got bullied and did nothing. Have to go back to Rajeev's days to find anything close.

Nobody is asking what Modi's Pakistan policy is any more. It's blatantly obvious and i for one am all for it.

Some one was arguing with me he never heard of any atrocities on the Pak side. Only the Indian side. Why is that ? we don't send terrorists over and screw with them. We are an ideal neighbour for them. Can't say the same the other way.

I love how things progressed from disputed to bilateral and finally internal matter. I really think this Kashmir thing is getting fixed once and for all.

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Agenda-Driven Journalism, Distortions And Half Lies - Abhijit Iyer-Mitra New

Quite the laundry list

Kashmir: The Politics of Hailing Martyrs | Open Magazine | Aug 30 2019

This tapestry remains hidden from Western journalists because most of them are dependent on local fixers, usually young Kashmiri journalists, who are already following a certain template of separatism. So, the foreign agency photographer will go and shoot his pictures only in a certain way. Barbed wire comes first, everything else is in the background.

People there are not confident to say on camera that they are happy about 370. Why ? they are afraid they will be gunned down.

Despite all the personnel in place, still there is an atmosphere of fear that one will be targeted for being pro-India (!)



There's two narratives coming out after 370

Yes, Kashmir is angry but don’t edit out the rest of the story | TOI | Aug 18 2019

Two very polarising journalistic narratives are coming out of Kashmir and both of them are untrue. The first is apocalyptic, brought out by journalists who were close to old political establishment in the state and who now find themselves adrift in the new order created by New Delhi. These journalists have been veterans of Gupkar Road, the main power centre of Kashmir from where its political and security grid operates. Those who were used to saying, “Farooq, can we have a meeting over breakfast” do not know how to accept the fact that Farooq Abdullah’s residence has no internet. When these journalists returned after their brief stay, they painted an extreme picture of clampdown and desolation, which is only half the truth.

The other problem became local TV journalists who would be glued to their OB vans and refused to go anywhere. Their counterparts in Delhi office kept tweeting on their behalf that they were unable to go anywhere. This is nothing but journalistic dishonesty (DC Srinagar clarified later that he had issued 161 passes to local journalists). We met one such journalist in Sarovar Hotel in Srinagar where he was sitting with a group of friends, eating sandwiches. He instantly offered to take a friend from Delhi “anywhere” he wanted and advised him to not to be scared. The friend said he was not, and that he had been able to move around freely in his own car.

This is a new phenomenon since 2014. Resentful at the fact that they could not see the ascension of Narendra Modi, many spend their time in just keeping a watch on what other journalists are saying and targeting them if they did not follow their template. There is no attempt at understanding why so many people have voted for one man, how dalits think beyond “beef festivals”, what the RSS thinks, why the Left leaders are nothing but Twitter warriors and what the Left cadre feels about it. It is nothing but lazy journalism. It is easy to write essays and sly tweets. But it takes effort to speak to a cross-section of Kashmiris: families of policemen, people from Shia community, and other silent ones who cannot openly say they are okay with 370’s abrogation because they will be killed.